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    • WabbitWabbit
    • By WabbitWabbit 9th Aug 18, 10:24 PM
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    Living overseas visiting UK for surgery on NHS
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    • 9th Aug 18, 10:24 PM
    Living overseas visiting UK for surgery on NHS 9th Aug 18 at 10:24 PM
    Not sure if this is the right place to post, please move if not.

    Can someone who was born in the UK but has lived outside of Europe for the last 12 years return to the UK for surgery under the NHS?
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    • calcotti
    • By calcotti 9th Aug 18, 10:31 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 10:31 PM
    This may be helpful https://www.surreyandsussex.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Entitlement-to-NHS-Hospital-Treatment-for-Non-Resident-UK-Citizens.pdf

    It looks as if the answer may depend on what country they are living in, their residential status there and whether or not ther is a r3ciprocal health agreement.
    • w06
    • By w06 9th Aug 18, 10:52 PM
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    almost certainly the answer is no

    nationality has no effect on entitlement, the 'test' is whether you're ordinarily resident in the uk, if you've lived overseas and intend to return overseas then you're not ordinarily resident
    • paddedjohn
    • By paddedjohn 9th Aug 18, 11:34 PM
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    How would the returning person be found out?
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    • huckster
    • By huckster 10th Aug 18, 12:22 AM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 12:22 AM
    If you have treatment within NHS, normally there is a referral from a GP.

    Hospitals do basic checks on ID, address etc. Hospitals do access centralised patient records.

    I had a minor op and when the treatment document was printed, it had all my details showing, including name of my GP. The particular GP had not referred me, but the NHS had all my details from my NHS patient records.

    Whether someone visiting the UK and receiving treatment would receive an invoice to pay, is a question we can't answer. They might have to provide their foreign address and be contacted about payment.
    The comments I post are personal opinion. Always refer to official information sources before relying on internet forums. If you have a problem with any organisation, enter into their official complaints process at the earliest opportunity, as sometimes complaints have to be started within a certain time frame.
    • WabbitWabbit
    • By WabbitWabbit 10th Aug 18, 7:13 AM
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    Thank you for your replies. I did wonder how they would know that they lived outside the EU.
    They were here about nine months ago for a couple of months and have been back here for almost a month and they are only here for surgery.
    • GlasweJen
    • By GlasweJen 10th Aug 18, 8:09 AM
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    Thank you for your replies. I did wonder how they would know that they lived outside the EU.
    They were here about nine months ago for a couple of months and have been back here for almost a month and they are only here for surgery.
    Originally posted by WabbitWabbit
    Well they'll be here for a while, if the surgery is non urgent they'll be placed on a waiting list like everyone else. As it's not going through A&E it's elective surgery which can be cancelled over and over if the hospital is busy (most are). Most hospitals are missing their targets for elective surgeries and some elective surgeries aren't even being done any more except for extreme cases. Our hospital has stopped stripping varicose veins for example.
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    • FBaby
    • By FBaby 10th Aug 18, 8:24 AM
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    There is also the risk that they could get found out (and people do) in which case, the hospital will be in their right to send them an invoice and pursue payment.
    • w06
    • By w06 10th Aug 18, 9:10 AM
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    yep, they may well get away with it, I'm sure many people do, but they'd need to lie and omit to tell the truth at several points in their treatment.

    If the truth does emerge then there may well be a large bill heading their way. In these cash strapped times the NHS is becoming more strict and the mechanisms for recouping costs more robust than they used to be
    • calcotti
    • By calcotti 10th Aug 18, 10:37 AM
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    See also
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-overseas-visitors-hospital-charging-regulations/summary-of-changes-made-to-the-way-the-nhs-charges-overseas-visitors-for-nhs-hospital-care
    "People living outside the EEA
    People who live outside the EEA, including former UK residents, should now make sure they are covered by personal health insurance, unless an exemption applies to them. Anyone who does not have insurance will be charged at 150% of the NHS national tariff for any care they receive."
    Last edited by calcotti; 10-08-2018 at 10:39 AM.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 10th Aug 18, 11:35 AM
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    Well they'll be here for a while, if the surgery is non urgent they'll be placed on a waiting list like everyone else. As it's not going through A&E it's elective surgery which can be cancelled over and over if the hospital is busy (most are). Most hospitals are missing their targets for elective surgeries...
    Originally posted by GlasweJen

    Just one example of the waiting times. My brother-in-law does a job which requires him to be on his feet all day. Hip pain was so severe that the consultant said he had to have the operation by the end of January (this was in November), cut a long story short and the operation actually happened at the end of June. Anybody coming to the UK hoping for quick treatment will need deep pockets because they will need to go private for that.
    • OhWow
    • By OhWow 10th Aug 18, 1:58 PM
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    NHS Trusts get fined now if they don't check. When they check, they can add 50% to the bill if the patient does not have insurance to pay. The Trust keeps all the money to avoid losing that treatment costs from their budget.

    The Immigration Act 2014 brought in that change and the NHS is now only bill free for British citizens and those with a valid ILR (Indefinite Leave to Remain) but only if they live in the UK and hospitals must get proof of that. Any exemptions to that can now easily be removed or added, without the need for a law change. eg. on Brexit with EU laws.



    For those Brits that live-in the EU, the UK linked free healthcare in that country for retirees (paid for by the UK) to now being in receipt of a UK state pension. The others who had been getting the UK to pay for them now have to pay for their own health care.

    They also brought in changes to the immigration laws so that those who have NHS debt of 500 plus, can no longer have a visa to enter or to remain in the UK.

    The NHS persue debtors in the courts. They also persue those who invite a relative to the UK to visit, they then need emergency life saving treatment, but leave the UK without paying the NHS. One person reporting he had a 36k bill to pay for his father who visited, had a stroke, but then left the UK.
    Last edited by OhWow; 10-08-2018 at 3:24 PM.
    • davidwood681
    • By davidwood681 10th Aug 18, 3:52 PM
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    There is also the risk that they could get found out (and people do) in which case, the hospital will be in their right to send them an invoice and pursue payment.
    Originally posted by FBaby


    And just like everyone else they'll ignore it
    • WabbitWabbit
    • By WabbitWabbit 10th Aug 18, 4:27 PM
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    They would not worry about lying. The last time they were here they thought they had a brain tumor and after queue jumping for tests nothing was wrong they think nothing about calling an ambulance.
    They are staying with their elderly parents, making their lives very unhappy as they are pretty aggressive and forceful.
    They would not bother about a bill as I know they would not pay it.
    Just makes me cross but there is nothing I can do .
    • OhWow
    • By OhWow 10th Aug 18, 5:46 PM
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    Under the new laws for the NHS, they can now request payment up front and refuse to treat them if they don't pay. The only treatment they can't refuse is urgent life saving treatment, but these still get billed. If they have travelled to the UK to steal healthcare, then it won't be life saving treatment eg heart attack.

    You could always inform the local Trust to ensure that they get refused and then they won't keep returning and making their elderly parents unhappy.

    The UK has brought back exit checks too and now share records with other government departments and they will be able to see that they are only visiting. Plus there won't be any active records for them in the UK.
    Last edited by OhWow; 10-08-2018 at 6:24 PM.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 10th Aug 18, 6:04 PM
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    Actually I know of someone who lives abroad but comes back just for his annual cancer check
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    • By Paparika 10th Aug 18, 6:08 PM
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    • By antrobus 10th Aug 18, 6:36 PM
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    Not sure if this is the right place to post, please move if not.

    Can someone who was born in the UK but has lived outside of Europe for the last 12 years return to the UK for surgery under the NHS?
    Originally posted by WabbitWabbit
    Well, every time I check in for a hospital appointment the machine asks if I have been resident in the UK for the past 12 months. Presumably there is a reason for this.
    • WabbitWabbit
    • By WabbitWabbit 10th Aug 18, 6:53 PM
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    Well anyone can say yes to the machine as well
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 10th Aug 18, 9:11 PM
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    Well anyone can say yes to the machine as well
    Originally posted by WabbitWabbit

    So basically you are saying you are happy for people to defraud the NHS and people wonder why the NHS has no money anymore!
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