Litter Fine please help

reason2 wrote: »

Still irrelevant, NHS figures show alcohol releated health issues cost more than smoking.
If you drink alcohol you are needlessly taking drugs.

I agree that drinking alcohol is needlessly taking drugs, but i'm not saying it's wrong to drink occasionally for leisure.

If someone was having a pint of beer everyday before work because they were addicted to it then i'm sure even you agree that's a problem and they need help.

reason2 wrote: »

you are making a pointless hypocritical argument that serves no purpose.
If he dropped it to put it out and then used an ashtray - he wasn't littering..

How do you know that he didn't drop it on the floor then quickly pick it up when he noticed someone had caught him. Stating he wasn't littering is an assumption that your making.

reason2 wrote: »

You have made assumptions and now want to appear like you have some superiority in the scenario when really you just seem oddly bitter and pedantic for no reason other than to inflate your own ego.

be constructive and helpful or go to another forum more suited to your pedantry..

What assumptions am i making?

If i wanted to act superior i would be making some long speech about how i never drink alcohol, never drink tea etc but i didn't say anything like that and it wouldn't be true anyway.

But you seem to be defending people being addicted to substances which damage their health. You seem to think smoking is ok because it costs less than alcohol abuse?. Well health is more important than money.

reason2 wrote: »

Still irrelevant, NHS figures show alcohol releated health issues cost more than smoking.
If you drink alcohol you are needlessly taking drugs.

you are making a pointless hypocritical argument that serves no purpose.
If he dropped it to put it out and then used an ashtray - he wasn't littering..

You have made assumptions and now want to appear like you have some superiority in the scenario when really you just seem oddly bitter and pedantic for no reason other than to inflate your own ego.

be constructive and helpful or go to another forum more suited to your pedantry..

You shouldn't be bringing up alcohol in this discussion. Alcohol doesn't generally cause litter problems in day-to-day affairs, except with the down and outs who drink all day and night (and I've seen some of them around my way dumping cans/bottles in the street; good luck fining them! Post the fine to the local hospice and expect it to be used as toilet paper; ASSUMING you can get their details). Maybe at a push people who fly-tip, but recycling schemes (and even the normal bin service) generally covers that.

I don't think it is right like (I also don't think it is right that the government initially promoted cigarettes and taxed it despite the health effects; something I mirror with alcohol to be fair), but smokers are an easy target on the littering front! The amount of people with income who are happy to smoke in public and chuck their butt ends on the floor genuinely baffles me. In my previous work people literally chucked butt ends on the floor NEXT TO A BIN! Literally 1 foot away from it.... It was on private property like, so the employed cleaners earned their keep, but some "brave" souls chucked their butt ends on the floor on public land! And the local enforcement officers were like flies to !!!!! Every other day I heard stories like that of OP's post.

So I have no sympathy for OP like. When people are caught out they come up with excuses ("it was burning his hand and he then picked it up and stubbed it out"*) to try and wriggle out of it. The truth is, one could so easily have smoked next to a bin/blown it out before the butt end burnt their hand and disposed of it correctly. But that didn't happen, so it turns into an "argue the toss" scenario. Hell, they could have even been like alcoholics and done it in private... It's just infuriating in a way, because people don't engage their brain and expect to get off scott-free!

Oh and add in the obligatory "He suffers from severe depression" line Shall we consult the NHS on that?

It's an absolute farce posts like this.

*EDIT: and just to point out but he effectively threw a flammable item onto the ground. 999/1000 times that isn't an issue, but it can cause a fire in very specific circumstances! AND people typically stub such a butt end out with their FOOT. It just doesn't make sense to throw it on the ground, wait for it to burn out and then pick it up; wholly more likely that it was picked up only because someone challenged him.