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    • lucylou32
    • By lucylou32 9th Dec 12, 5:59 PM
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    Current Employer Requesting Details of Termination from 2nd job
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    • 9th Dec 12, 5:59 PM
    Current Employer Requesting Details of Termination from 2nd job 9th Dec 12 at 5:59 PM
    My Step father had 2 jobs up to last month, they were both working for 3 days a week. He got fired from one, because he forgot to wear his ear protectors (hardly anyone wore them so it was too easy for him to also not wear them). He mentioned this to the employer at his other job and they have asked him to provide written details, meetings minutes, letter of dismissal etc.. does he have to provide them? and what if any, could the potential consequences be if he does? or if he refuses?

    Thank you
    Lucy
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    • Valli
    • By Valli 9th Dec 12, 6:10 PM
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    • 9th Dec 12, 6:10 PM
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    • 9th Dec 12, 6:10 PM
    I would advise you post this (for a faster response) in the Employment forum.

    (Blue text is a link)

    However; if it were me I would be asking WHY this information is being requested.
    Mind you I would also want to know if other non-ear-protector wearers were also fired. Or not.

    Is he in a union?
    Unions offer free legal advice; suggest he joins if he is working in an industry where there is a risk to his health; which, if he is obliged to wear ear protection, would be the case.
    Last edited by Valli; 09-12-2012 at 6:14 PM. Reason: added link to appropriate part of forum
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    • lucylou32
    • By lucylou32 10th Dec 12, 8:21 AM
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    • 10th Dec 12, 8:21 AM
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    • 10th Dec 12, 8:21 AM
    I would advise you post this (for a faster response) in the Employment forum.

    (Blue text is a link)

    However; if it were me I would be asking WHY this information is being requested.
    Mind you I would also want to know if other non-ear-protector wearers were also fired. Or not.

    Is he in a union?
    Unions offer free legal advice; suggest he joins if he is working in an industry where there is a risk to his health; which, if he is obliged to wear ear protection, would be the case.
    Originally posted by Valli
    Thank you i've done that here, best advice so far.. is not to hand anything over.. but i'm not sure he's going to be willing to do that

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=57824977&posted=1#post57824977
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    • 10th Dec 12, 9:12 AM
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    • 10th Dec 12, 9:12 AM
    My Step father had 2 jobs up to last month, they were both working for 3 days a week. He got fired from one, because he forgot to wear his ear protectors (hardly anyone wore them so it was too easy for him to also not wear them). He mentioned this to the employer at his other job and they have asked him to provide written details, meetings minutes, letter of dismissal etc.. does he have to provide them? and what if any, could the potential consequences be if he does? or if he refuses?

    Thank you
    Lucy
    Originally posted by lucylou32
    No, he doesn't have to abide by the instructions of his employer.

    What does he think the potential consequences could be? Maybe he should discuss this with his employer?
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    • 11th Dec 12, 2:40 PM
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    • 11th Dec 12, 2:40 PM
    My Step father had 2 jobs up to last month, they were both working for 3 days a week. He got fired from one, because he forgot to wear his ear protectors (hardly anyone wore them so it was too easy for him to also not wear them). He mentioned this to the employer at his other job and they have asked him to provide written details, meetings minutes, letter of dismissal etc.. does he have to provide them? and what if any, could the potential consequences be if he does? or if he refuses?

    Thank you
    Lucy
    Originally posted by lucylou32

    Hi

    It may be that his current employer is just over-reacting or being slightly over cautious but there are a number of issues to consider here. All employees have a duty in law to obey their employers reasonable instructions and employers have a duty under law to provide a safe working environment for all their employees to work in so it could be that this is where they are coming from on this. Additionally if he hasn't been employed long enough to claim unfair dismissal and the employers treat his non co-operation as a disciplinary matter he could potentially lose his job as a worst case scenario with little recourse to redress. As suggested he could of course politely request why the information is needed and even raise a grievance if on balance he still thinks that it is unreasonable in the circumstances to provide it. He could also get help from his local CAB if there are further developments.
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  • shocky
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    • 13th Dec 12, 2:26 PM
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    • 13th Dec 12, 2:26 PM
    He does not have to provide the information. However, he has not worked with the current employer for long enough to accrue unfair dismissal rights. If the new employer decided to dismiss him, all he would be entitled to is notice pay. For this reason it would be best to cooperate.
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