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    • Getting_By
    • By Getting_By 8th Jan 18, 5:24 PM
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    Should I sign up for Cont. JSA?
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    • 8th Jan 18, 5:24 PM
    Should I sign up for Cont. JSA? 8th Jan 18 at 5:24 PM
    Hi.

    Just wondering whether it's worth signing up for contribution based JSA? I have enough NI contributions to cover it. I've been out of work for 2 months now.

    The thing is at the moment I would just rather sharpen up my skills and do some studying. At the moment my usual week day is being spent in the library learning French and reading. I am also trying to improve my handwriting as it's pretty shocking. I am also doing online courses. So really at the moment I'm happy with my daily routine and taking time out from the job market. I have savings and I am living with a parent so rent is low.

    If I sign onto Cont. JSA are they straight onto you to find a job? I remember people saying that they only really put the heat on you after 6 months, but this was a few years ago when I heard that. Is that the case? I have never signed on before.

    So what I am wondering is could I sign on and put the least amount of effort into finding a job and then signed off when the 6 months of Cont. JSA finishes? Or would I get hassled?
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 8th Jan 18, 5:30 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 5:30 PM
    If you claim JSA, you must be actively seeking work. So yes applying from day one.


    Handwriting is really, really, not important.


    What you're asking is either:
    1: can I commit benefit fraud
    or
    2: can I do exactly what the job centre ask of me


    to be honest it sounds like a mixture of the two.


    I will add that, unless you teach French, it's unlikely that learning French will help you land a job. In fact the longer you are out of work, the harder it will be to return.
    • Getting_By
    • By Getting_By 8th Jan 18, 7:26 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 7:26 PM
    Why?

    His reply was uncalled for.

    He is a narrow minded individual that is probably jealous someone has interests and options and is not as miserable as he is.

    I should have known better than posting on this site as it is just full of Me Me Me individuals who don't see anything past money.

    So there.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 8th Jan 18, 7:40 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 7:40 PM
    Why?

    His reply was uncalled for.

    He is a narrow minded individual that is probably jealous someone has interests and options and is not as miserable as he is.

    I should have known better than posting on this site as it is just full of Me Me Me individuals who don't see anything past money.

    So there.
    Originally posted by Getting_By
    The reply was accurate. If you want JSA then you job seek - the hint is in the name. If you want to prat about "bettering yourself" with infant school French and calligraphy, pay for it yourself. And feel free to get the hell out of the country infested by people who pay for the benefits you want to claim. But you do not tell posters to "die". You are a pathetic troll and don't get the right to lecture other people about conduct.
    • Getting_By
    • By Getting_By 8th Jan 18, 8:36 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 8:36 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 8:36 PM
    Haha OMG not only was his original answer loaded with right wing garbage you lot come along and put the cherry on top. This country has gone so far down the rabbit hole it is unrecognisable.

    Thanks for your posts guys you've been really enlightening. It's just confirmed that I am on the right path and given me even more motivation to work harder towards something better and preferably away from Daily Fail Brexit sewer called England.

    Cheerio.
    • Energize
    • By Energize 8th Jan 18, 8:59 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 8:59 PM
    I'm speechless...
    • elsien
    • By elsien 8th Jan 18, 9:03 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 9:03 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 9:03 PM
    I'm getting a sense of deja vu from the posting style and instant throwing of toys from pram.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    • By keepcalmandstayoutofdebt 8th Jan 18, 9:36 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 9:36 PM
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    • 8th Jan 18, 9:36 PM
    Hi.

    Just wondering whether it's worth signing up for contribution based JSA? I have enough NI contributions to cover it. I've been out of work for 2 months now.

    The thing is at the moment I would just rather sharpen up my skills and do some studying. At the moment my usual week day is being spent in the library learning French and reading. I am also trying to improve my handwriting as it's pretty shocking. I am also doing online courses. So really at the moment I'm happy with my daily routine and taking time out from the job market. I have savings and I am living with a parent so rent is low.

    If I sign onto Cont. JSA are they straight onto you to find a job? I remember people saying that they only really put the heat on you after 6 months, but this was a few years ago when I heard that. Is that the case? I have never signed on before.

    So what I am wondering is could I sign on and put the least amount of effort into finding a job and then signed off when the 6 months of Cont. JSA finishes? Or would I get hassled?
    Originally posted by Getting_By
    Whilst I appreciate different levels of responsiblilities are at play here for you, I believe when you are newly unemployed you get to set your preferred job type and I don't believe all this the job centre force anyone to apply for 'unsuitable jobs' if it wasn't for their own making - The problem TODAY is the employers won't wait for you - even national minimum wage payers!!!

    I know someone who managed to get and start two jobs in last 5 weeks.

    Every day sat at home is just de-skilling and upping serious questions being asked. Until you'll eventually post here as the long term unemployed feeling sorry for yourself. So many ways to work around the educational life you now seek and keep wages coming in - part time work? Evening and weekend work? Temporary intermittent work even? - The ideal position when still with parents I'd have thought to get even more money behind you.

    Impeccable out dated references won't save anybody. You need an active CV to survive.
    Last edited by keepcalmandstayoutofdebt; 08-01-2018 at 9:37 PM. Reason: .
    "If you are caught in a rainstorm, once you accept that you'll receive a soaking, the only thing left to do is enjoy the walk"
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 8th Jan 18, 9:40 PM
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    I'm speechless...
    Originally posted by Energize
    Look on the bright side.... As a well paid professional with two postgraduate degrees, who speaks French fluently and German passably well; has wonderful handwriting, doesn't need to go to the library because I have more books at home, and holds an Irish passport so isn't the slightest bit worried about the voting habits of others... it's the first time in 60 years and five months that I've been described as right wing. And I'm only 60 years and four months old. But then, I don't need a bunch of other people to pay for me to learn new hobbies either.
    • Getting_By
    • By Getting_By 8th Jan 18, 9:50 PM
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    The reply was accurate. If you want JSA then you job seek - the hint is in the name. If you want to prat about "bettering yourself" with infant school French and calligraphy, pay for it yourself. And feel free to get the hell out of the country infested by people who pay for the benefits you want to claim. But you do not tell posters to "die". You are a pathetic troll and don't get the right to lecture other people about conduct.
    Originally posted by sangie595
    Excuse-moi! If you must know I have contributed more than enough to the national pot thank you very much not like it is any of your business.

    Also, that didn't give him the right to poo poo my entire post just because he is a Daily Mail reader, unhappy and can't see past £ signs (a bit like you really). It seems to me as soon as anyone mentions benefits it seems to give small minded idiots the right to get on their high horses and feel oh so superior.

    So to wrap up thanks for all your comments because you have changed my mind on something. I wasn't going to claim my JSA but now I'm feeling like I most definitely will and when I get my first payment I will sure to let you know so you can start another round of apoplectic pulpit lecturing moralising and you can ring up the DM and say " OMG SHOCK HORROR SOMEONE WHO IS ON JSA MIGHT NOT GET A JOB WITHIN THE FIRST 6 MONTHS OMG!! SHOCK SHOCK!! STONE THEM KILL THEM!!"

    I will look forward to that.

    Bye.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 8th Jan 18, 9:57 PM
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    You keep saying goodbye. So leave already...
    • Getting_By
    • By Getting_By 8th Jan 18, 10:11 PM
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    Whilst I appreciate different levels of responsiblilities are at play here for you, I believe when you are newly unemployed you get to set your preferred job type and I don't believe all this the job centre force anyone to apply for 'unsuitable jobs' if it wasn't for their own making - The problem TODAY is the employers won't wait for you - even national minimum wage payers!!!

    I know someone who managed to get and start two jobs in last 5 weeks.

    Every day sat at home is just de-skilling and upping serious questions being asked. Until you'll eventually post here as the long term unemployed feeling sorry for yourself. So many ways to work around the educational life you now seek and keep wages coming in - part time work? Evening and weekend work? Temporary intermittent work even? - The ideal position when still with parents I'd have thought to get even more money behind you.

    Impeccable out dated references won't save anybody. You need an active CV to survive.
    Originally posted by keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    Thank you for your sound and reasoned reply, unlike some on hear that are skewed to a certain world view.

    I understand what you are saying about skills, CV's, a gap in your career history etc. I fully take that on board. It is an issue and it is a bit of a worry but it is just something I am going to have to deal when the time comes. A part time job could be a possibility but I would not have quit my rubbish job only to replace with another rubbish job but less hours. That was not the point of quitting. I just needed some space and time. I don't think that is too much to ask after working FT for the last 15 years (it seems heresy to some people though!).

    I don't just intend to sit in the library for ever I also intend to travel around Europe! Broaden my horizons and see different cultures! I think that could count for something on a CV. Speaking another language or two could definitely count for something on a CV also.

    I understand your points but the die has been cast. I walked away from my job and it feels right. I made the right decision. I'm glad that I can wake up, not be stressed, learn, read whatever book I like and look at the world, look at nature and take it all in. Lovely. It seems crazy why some people don't get that.

    As for my future employability because of this career gap? I'll have to hope I come across an open minded employer that hasn't got a row of pixel medals on a certain money forum (ahem I don't mean you BTW )
    Last edited by Getting_By; 08-01-2018 at 10:23 PM.
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 8th Jan 18, 10:41 PM
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    Once again this job seeking thread like many is taken over by the right wing Daily Mail readers brigade. The OP asked a basic question and instead got a sarcastic reply. There are better forums out there for people wanting to ask employment query Questions and this isnt one of them.. People used to get helpful advice but not any more. Would like to see mse close down this section of the board for a period of 6 months to see if it improves.
    • Energize
    • By Energize 9th Jan 18, 3:03 AM
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    Once again this job seeking thread like many is taken over by the right wing Daily Mail readers brigade. The OP asked a basic question and instead got a sarcastic reply. There are better forums out there for people wanting to ask employment query Questions and this isnt one of them.. People used to get helpful advice but not any more. Would like to see mse close down this section of the board for a period of 6 months to see if it improves.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    The first reply answered the OP's question succinctly. Yes you need to be looking for work, handwriting and french aren't going to help find a job, factual and accurate. The OP then made a very abusive post in response which the mods deleted.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 9th Jan 18, 8:35 AM
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    Once again this job seeking thread like many is taken over by the right wing Daily Mail readers brigade. The OP asked a basic question and instead got a sarcastic reply. There are better forums out there for people wanting to ask employment query Questions and this isnt one of them.. People used to get helpful advice but not any more. Would like to see mse close down this section of the board for a period of 6 months to see if it improves.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    So you are in favor of abusive posts that include threats and a wish that someone should die??? And it's funny how you and the poster have a lot in common. An alter ego perhaps?

    If you don't like the board, perhaps you should stop visiting it and go to one of the better forums. Try it out for 6 months, as I'm sure it will improve things here....
    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 9th Jan 18, 9:03 AM
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    I walked away from my job and it feels right. )
    Originally posted by Getting_By
    In which case you might face a 'benefit sanction' and so not receive any JSA in any case... You would need to produce an acceptable reason for leaving your previous job. Even if sanctioned, you would still benefit from NI credits and som other support.

    I would urge you to sign on in any case. You would then be included in the national unemployment figures and so help to give our policy-makers a more accurate picture of the economy; and would benefit from credits of National Insurance contributions that will eventually count towards your state pension. You will also be referred to an expert employment adviser able to discuss how your programme of self-development relates to the labour market and to suggest helpful resources (including support for learning French).

    Incidentally, there are a number of jobs (Civil Service for instance) where recent experience of learning something new is an important selection criterion, so your work on learning French could be an important career move.

    In sum: in order to claim JSA you need to present a plan for finding your next job and to sign a "job-seeker's agreement" that you will implement this plan. Your plan will need to include some efforts to look for advertised jobs and contact employers, and probably at least one application per week, but can also include important elements of self-development and marketing.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 9th Jan 18, 9:51 AM
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    Oh did someone wish me death? - that's nice. Thanks
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 9th Jan 18, 5:06 PM
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    So you are in favor of abusive posts that include threats and a wish that someone should die??? And it's funny how you and the poster have a lot in common. An alter ego perhaps?

    If you don't like the board, perhaps you should stop visiting it and go to one of the better forums. Try it out for 6 months, as I'm sure it will improve things here....
    Originally posted by sangie595
    I regret i didn't see the abusive Post. However the sarcastic first reply about should i commit benefit fraud, speaks volumes of the so called unhelpful replies that have been dominating this section of the board over the past 12 months. Note to people with an employment query, put in on another forum and Post on there?
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 9th Jan 18, 6:30 PM
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    I regret i didn't see the abusive Post. However the sarcastic first reply about should i commit benefit fraud, speaks volumes of the so called unhelpful replies that have been dominating this section of the board over the past 12 months. Note to people with an employment query, put in on another forum and Post on there?
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    Can I just clarify- the OP said ‘can I put the least amount of effort in and then get signed iff’ A clear indication they have no intention of starting work. That is fraud.

    It’s not judgemental on the OP except based upon what they said themselves.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 9th Jan 18, 6:50 PM
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    Can I just clarify- the OP said ‘can I put the least amount of effort in and then get signed iff’ A clear indication they have no intention of starting work. That is fraud.

    It’s not judgemental on the OP except based upon what they said themselves.
    Originally posted by Comms69
    No judgement - you responded to exactly what the OP said - that they had no intention of job seeking. It certainly is fraud. And likely to get them into a lot more trouble. If they wanted to improve their handwriting and learn French then they are able to do so by supporting themselves. The remaining diatribes by the OP very much speak to their intention to claim benefits but not look for work. It is totally irrelevant whether some people here think that everyone should be able to claim benefits when they want to. Those aren't the rules. And it would be irresponsible to suggest otherwise.
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