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    • Getting_By
    • By Getting_By 8th Jan 18, 5:24 PM
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    Should I sign up for Cont. JSA?
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    • 8th Jan 18, 5:24 PM
    Should I sign up for Cont. JSA? 8th Jan 18 at 5:24 PM
    Hi.

    Just wondering whether it's worth signing up for contribution based JSA? I have enough NI contributions to cover it. I've been out of work for 2 months now.

    The thing is at the moment I would just rather sharpen up my skills and do some studying. At the moment my usual week day is being spent in the library learning French and reading. I am also trying to improve my handwriting as it's pretty shocking. I am also doing online courses. So really at the moment I'm happy with my daily routine and taking time out from the job market. I have savings and I am living with a parent so rent is low.

    If I sign onto Cont. JSA are they straight onto you to find a job? I remember people saying that they only really put the heat on you after 6 months, but this was a few years ago when I heard that. Is that the case? I have never signed on before.

    So what I am wondering is could I sign on and put the least amount of effort into finding a job and then signed off when the 6 months of Cont. JSA finishes? Or would I get hassled?
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    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 9th Jan 18, 7:17 PM
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    Can I just clarify- the OP said ‘can I put the least amount of effort in and then get signed iff’ A clear indication they have no intention of starting work. That is fraud.

    It’s not judgemental on the OP except based upon what they said themselves.
    Originally posted by Comms69
    My left wing political views obviously not popular with the many Daily Mail readers brigade on here, believe that if you have been paying into the system for a number of years then everyone should be able to claim 6 months JSA hassle free. I don't feel you should be forced to jump through hoops to get £71.00 a week. You should pay your NI contributions for insurance against unemployment as well as going towards your pension. Why attack them over concerns about benefit fraud? Is it a money issue your worried about because more money is paid to claimants from admin errors on overpayment, never recovered by the way, then claimed committing benefit fraud.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 9th Jan 18, 7:32 PM
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    My left wing political views obviously not popular with the many Daily Mail readers brigade on here, believe that if you have been paying into the system for a number of years then everyone should be able to claim 6 months JSA hassle free. I don't feel you should be forced to jump through hoops to get £71.00 a week. You should pay your NI contributions for insurance against unemployment as well as going towards your pension. Why attack them over concerns about benefit fraud? Is it a money issue your worried about because more money is paid to claimants from admin errors on overpayment, never recovered by the way, then claimed committing benefit fraud.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    What you believe is irrelevant. "Paying into the system" is not a savings scheme. It's an obligation. As is looking for employment when you claim out of work benefits. You might like it to be otherwise, but it isn't.

    BTW - you are so not on the left wing! I regret to inform you that "the left" consider that benefits are a necessary protection for people who have no other alternative until they regain employment. Lounging around choosing not to work is so not left wing it isn't even on the field. If you had even a basic comprehension of the political spectrum, you would know that the left wing believe that everyone should work for the common good, and that there should be jobs for everyone. Thinking that it's ok to be the lumpen proletariat is a capitalist idea - and that is what you constantly promote.
    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 9th Jan 18, 9:18 PM
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    My left wing political views obviously not popular with the many Daily Mail readers brigade on here, believe that if you have been paying into the system for a number of years then everyone should be able to claim 6 months JSA hassle free. I don't feel you should be forced to jump through hoops to get £71.00 a week. You should pay your NI contributions for insurance against unemployment as well as going towards your pension. Why attack them over concerns about benefit fraud? Is it a money issue your worried about because more money is paid to claimants from admin errors on overpayment, never recovered by the way, then claimed committing benefit fraud.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    Speaking as a paid-up member of the Far Left (I support Corbyn but he is far too moderate for my taste)... I so agree that everyone who works and pays into the system should have the right to a period of being supported by the community, and note that such support is called a pension.

    Anyway: the regulations governing JSA (and Unemployment Benefit as it used to be called) have been clear from the foundation of the welfare state: it is an allowance to enable people to 'get by' while they are looking for work. I disagree with the present system since I favour a more liberal interpretation of the term 'looking for work' to include activities that enhance someone's employability as well as simply churning out CVs. For example: during Margaret Thatcher's reign I spent a year studying full-time for a Masters degree while receiving JSA, and was entirely honest about what I was doing. And yes: I was clever about reading the detail of the regulations and the words I used to describe what I was doing, but the system did have that level of flexibility, as it should.
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 12th Jan 18, 7:40 PM
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    My left wing political views obviously not popular with the many Daily Mail readers brigade on here, believe that if you have been paying into the system for a number of years then everyone should be able to claim 6 months JSA hassle free.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    The whole concept of the welfare system post-Beveridge was founded upon the principle of full employment. It has never been sufficiently funded to allow people to use it for long sabbatical periods on on-work at other contributors' expense.
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 12th Jan 18, 10:03 PM
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    The whole concept of the welfare system post-Beveridge was founded upon the principle of full employment. It has never been sufficiently funded to allow people to use it for long sabbatical periods on on-work at other contributors' expense.
    Originally posted by pmduk
    Think most people out of work Would be offended by your sabbatical comment. We are talking about 6 months to find a job suitable for your skills. Not to be treated like carp everytime you go to the jobcentre and forced to apply for jobs which you are totally not suited for and face a sanction. I was out of work for a few months last year but from my experience I will never claim jSA again no matter how desperate I am for a job or money. Its not worth being treated like S**T for £71 a week
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 13th Jan 18, 8:37 AM
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    Think most people out of work Would be offended by your sabbatical comment. We are talking about 6 months to find a job suitable for your skills. Not to be treated like carp everytime you go to the jobcentre and forced to apply for jobs which you are totally not suited for and face a sanction. I was out of work for a few months last year but from my experience I will never claim jSA again no matter how desperate I am for a job or money. Its not worth being treated like S**T for £71 a week
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    6 months?

    Good job or not I wouldn’t wait 6 months!
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 14th Jan 18, 1:10 PM
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    6 months?

    Good job or not I wouldn!!!8217;t wait 6 months!
    Originally posted by Comms69
    So you would take any old c**p that they throw at you and tell you to apply for?. Think the point is missed slightly as if you are just looking for work in a specialised area you should be able to do so for 6 months hassle free.
    Last edited by Stylehutz; 14-01-2018 at 1:24 PM.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 14th Jan 18, 7:16 PM
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    I

    So you would take any old c**p that they throw at you and tell you to apply for?. Think the point is missed slightly as if you are just looking for work in a specialised area you should be able to do so for 6 months hassle free.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    Great, I fancy being an astronaut...!

    I would take suitable employment yes. It’s going to be better paid than JSA, leave less of a gap to explain and I could still search for my preferred career
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