A couple of PIP questions
BlueMoonx
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Hi
I have the PIP form which I'm helping to fill out for an Autistic relative.
I have two questions:
1) I have found the corresponding PDF online where it explains the points. On there it has information about preparing food. The claimant is able to cook a basic meal but they purposely overcook meats (they're scared they'll get food poisoning otherwise). Even when told something is properly cooked by someone else they'll continue to cook it until it is very overdone. We're talking cooking about maybe twice as long as most people would cook it and if frying/grilling until the meat is pretty much charred.
We'll obviously include it anyway, but is the above likely to be considered as not cooking to an acceptable standard? I'm not sure. It does say in the notes for 4 points that "This descriptor also applies to claimants who are unable to determine whether food is safe to eat – for example, that meat is properly cooked – due to sensory or cognitive impairment." I'm not sure if that is more aimed at people who may undercook food, though? I guess there may be health risks to overcooking food but they don't seem as obvious as those associated with undercooking food!
It does mention about overcooking on the Citizens Advice page (sorry, it won't allow me to post the link) but I'm not sure.
Any thoughts?
2) The claimant isn't great with communication, as you'd expect with someone with Autism. Has anyone experienced a face-to-face assessment for someone with Autism? I'd imagine they'll allow the person accompanying the claimant to have substantial input given the claimants limitations and somewhat unrealistic perception of some things?
Thanks!
I have the PIP form which I'm helping to fill out for an Autistic relative.
I have two questions:
1) I have found the corresponding PDF online where it explains the points. On there it has information about preparing food. The claimant is able to cook a basic meal but they purposely overcook meats (they're scared they'll get food poisoning otherwise). Even when told something is properly cooked by someone else they'll continue to cook it until it is very overdone. We're talking cooking about maybe twice as long as most people would cook it and if frying/grilling until the meat is pretty much charred.
We'll obviously include it anyway, but is the above likely to be considered as not cooking to an acceptable standard? I'm not sure. It does say in the notes for 4 points that "This descriptor also applies to claimants who are unable to determine whether food is safe to eat – for example, that meat is properly cooked – due to sensory or cognitive impairment." I'm not sure if that is more aimed at people who may undercook food, though? I guess there may be health risks to overcooking food but they don't seem as obvious as those associated with undercooking food!
It does mention about overcooking on the Citizens Advice page (sorry, it won't allow me to post the link) but I'm not sure.
Any thoughts?
2) The claimant isn't great with communication, as you'd expect with someone with Autism. Has anyone experienced a face-to-face assessment for someone with Autism? I'd imagine they'll allow the person accompanying the claimant to have substantial input given the claimants limitations and somewhat unrealistic perception of some things?
Thanks!
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I have found the corresponding PDF online where it explains the points. On there it has information about preparing food. The claimant is able to cook a basic meal but they purposely overcook meats (they're scared they'll get food poisoning otherwise). Even when told something is properly cooked by someone else they'll continue to cook it until it is very overdone. We're talking cooking about maybe twice as long as most people would cook it and if frying/grilling until the meat is pretty much charred.
I would certainly write this in the 'other information section' but would add that due to their autism they are obsessive about cooking food properly for fear of food poisoning and this impacts on their being able to complete the task reliably.
No guarantee, of course, that this would result in extra points but relating it to their condition gives you the best chance.0 -
I'm in agreement with pmlindyloo.
I think this suggests your relative can't cook to an acceptable standard due to his condition.
The other thing that could be added is that even with the use of an aid such as a timer, your relative is incapable of cooking to an acceptable standard by himself.
How does he cope with ready meals that only need microwaving?
If someone cooks for him, will he then eat properly cooked meat?Alice Holt Forest situated some 4 miles south of Farnham forms the most northerly gateway to the South Downs National Park.0 -
Thanks guysAlice_Holt wrote: »I'm in agreement with pmlindyloo.
I think this suggests your relative can't cook to an acceptable standard due to his condition.
The other thing that could be added is that even with the use of an aid such as a timer, your relative is incapable of cooking to an acceptable standard by himself.
How does he cope with ready meals that only need microwaving?
If someone cooks for him, will he then eat properly cooked meat?
He won't eat microwaved meals that include meats - same issue.
He'll eat meats that aren't overdone cooked by his Mum, but that's it. He rarely eats outside the home but will always order foods that he thinks are safe which usually means they don't contain meat.
How do people recommend wording the answers? I've just tried to explain the issues, but should I be using phrases like "acceptable standard"? I fear it may sound a bit scripted if I did.
Thanks again0 -
Just describe it as you did above
No idea whether it will count as not an acceptable standard - it could be argued that if that's how he likes it it's fine. (cf extra strong coffee, blue steak etc)0 -
Just describe it as you did above
No idea whether it will count as not an acceptable standard - it could be argued that if that's how he likes it it's fine. (cf extra strong coffee, blue steak etc)
Thanks.
Yes, I see your point but I really wouldn't class it in the same way. It's not a taste preference, he has irrational fears about being poisoned
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probably import to make sure that's clear 0
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Yes definitely include the information with the descriptor. I got 4 points for preparing food (needs supervision) because of similar issues. I also got 4 points for the eating descriptor (needs prompting).
Well worth being thorough as getting these points meant I was awarded enhanced daily living. If you have any reports from professionals that mention this, include them with the claim.
Tom0 -
Well you got 0 points, so that pretty much says it all.
Anything helpful to add or are you just trolling for attention? Most undignified!0 -
Well you got 0 points, so that pretty much says it all.
Anything helpful to add or are you just trolling for attention? Most undignified!
No not at all.
Just find it amusing that people scrape the barrel looking for the odd point or two.
But when I start looking at what points I could get I get criticised by all and sundry.I have worked out that based on evidence that my points should have been enough to warrant enhanced for both elements - not 0 points - that is if the claim form had been completed properly.
Double standards?0 -
I'm not getting into a debate on this.0
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