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    • Elinore
    • By Elinore 14th Sep 18, 1:45 PM
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    Suspended – what to do?
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    • 14th Sep 18, 1:45 PM
    Suspended – what to do? 14th Sep 18 at 1:45 PM
    its a bit long - but I wasn't sure what was relevant so I included everything


    I am employed by ‘huge multinational – employer’ who as part of a partnership in a multimillion pound deal took on several lucrative contracts in conjunction with ‘multinational – product supplier’ several years ago.

    I was recruited during this acquisition to work exclusively servicing a contract to ‘product supplier’ but am paid and work in the building of ‘employer’ as a team of one. My contract is not profitable as it’s a legacy contract, but it is a requirement of the larger much more lucrative deal that the role is staffed and maintained. I have worked this way to the satisfaction of both the employer and the supplier for several years.

    The employer has a single licence to access ‘product supplier’ systems as they are militantly security conscious. This is allocated specifically to me and I had to sign for it as for my sole use -as I have access to privileged data.


    They also set my leave; I go to their team meetings and get invited by the product suppliers to their Christmas and summer work dos. They feedback to the’ employer’ on my performance (which has always been noted as excellent) and they generally are great and treat me as part of the team, just based off site.

    I returned after two weeks AL to find there has been a reshuffle and I now have a different manager at ‘employer’. Manager has cancelled all the blocked out Thursdays on the leave/meetings system (my set days at Supplier site) and changed my hours to that of the main unit. He’s also assigned me some admin tasks and cancelled the AL blocked out for Christmas as it’s the company policy not to have leave over the festive period (Product supplier closes over Christmas)

    I had introduction meeting on my return where the manager was livid when he discovered that my employment contract is exclusively for working on this contract and for the supplier alone. It says I can’t do outside tasks, my hours and leave are set by the ‘product supplier’ not by the employer. All very clearly laid out in my terms of employment. He seemed to take it rather personally and in frank terms had himself a bit of a temper tantrum (honestly, its the most accurate way to describe it!)


    So I have kept my head down this week - I thought it would all blow over once he had spoken to my old manager, confirmed the details and it would just boil down to him being disappointed that I wasn't as expected - the shiny new staff member who would lighten their load by one.

    This is where I need advice.

    In a further meeting today the new manager told me he didn’t want me on his headcount if I was basically not working for him. I was a resource drain and he had all this admin stuff to do for essentially a penny ante BS legacy role. (The role may be legacy but its necessary, busy and a full time job)

    He wanted me to sideline my supplier tasks and pick up the admin tasks anyway and also wants me to hand over the login to the product suppliers system, expressly against the supplier’s policy. Essentially he wants to hand tasks out to the wider team. Without asking permission to do so.

    He wants me to work outside the hour’s noted in both my terms and the contract terms to the detriment of the supplier. He has refused to put any of this in writing or allow me to do so - categorically banned me from discussing any of this with the supplier or anyone one else in the business. When I stated I would need to take advice on this he immediately suspended me for refusing ‘a reasonable request’ and asked me to leave.

    I calmly left but I am very concerned. Where do I go from here?
    Last edited by Elinore; 14-09-2018 at 1:52 PM.
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    • Paul_DNAP
    • By Paul_DNAP 24th Sep 18, 4:14 PM
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    Would the manager even have the authority to amend or renegotiate the current contract? If it is a multi-national company would they not have a contracts/procurement department who would look after this stuff and it would be the managers job, just to manage his/her section of the company in line with said contracts?

    I can fully understand what the OP's issue is (taking what they have said at face value). As others have said if the manager doesn't like that, then he should take it up with his superiors rather than trying to bully the OP.
    Originally posted by Fergie76

    If the manager is overstepping their remit and ends up royally infuriating the supplier/customers, then it is the problem for the manager's manager or the head of the company to sort that out. All you can do as an "underling", no matter how experienced and knowledgeable and no matter how absolutely sure you are that it's a massive mistake in process, is to either let him hang himself, which isn't a good way to go, or to try and point out the error, which is the way the OP has tried and is now being disciplined for.


    So if the company is going to back the guy who appears to be destined for self destruction then you've got to assume the "higher-ups" are either behind him 100% or are completely oblivious to the magnitude of dung that's about to fall on them.
    (Although I could be wrong, I often am.)
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 24th Sep 18, 5:18 PM
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    Ref #60

    Nicechap, while I agree with most of your post, I do not feel the thread you refer to is a great example for Elinore. The person in that thread was patently guilty of the transgression of which they were accused. While Elinore has admitted refusing a direct order from this new manager, her reasons for doing so are those of integrity, not laziness.
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    • iammumtoone
    • By iammumtoone 24th Sep 18, 5:54 PM
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    Ive been thinking about this and surely if he doesn't end well the OP has a case for a tribunal?


    I understand that you need to follow your managers instruction, but the OP has signed a document saying they wouldn't do what was asked. If you compare that to say someone working in sales is under contract not to inform other customers what everyone pays, if your manager asked you to email customer As prices to customer B but refused to put their request in writing. When customer A puts in the complaint, without 'evidence' you were asked to do this, who's head would be on the line?, especially when the manager denies all knowledge of asking. That can't be right that employees are expected to take the fall for Managers when asked to do something they have signed they won't (I appreciate its different if you are requested to do something you just don't want to!)
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 25th Sep 18, 10:09 AM
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    Ahhh, if only life was fair. I think many managers become managers because they excel at making others take the fall for their transgressions. Managers can seldom be wrong; they are managers, not a mere minion; it must be the minion's fault! Managers are harder to recruit...
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 25th Sep 18, 11:13 AM
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    Ive been thinking about this and surely if he doesn't end well the OP has a case for a tribunal?


    I understand that you need to follow your managers instruction, but the OP has signed a document saying they wouldn't do what was asked. If you compare that to say someone working in sales is under contract not to inform other customers what everyone pays, if your manager asked you to email customer As prices to customer B but refused to put their request in writing. When customer A puts in the complaint, without 'evidence' you were asked to do this, who's head would be on the line?, especially when the manager denies all knowledge of asking. That can't be right that employees are expected to take the fall for Managers when asked to do something they have signed they won't (I appreciate its different if you are requested to do something you just don't want to!)
    Originally posted by iammumtoone
    Had the OP listened and raised a grievance when advised, maybe. Now her grievance (if that is what it is) just looks vexatious.
    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 25th Sep 18, 11:27 AM
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    To be fair i fell foul of a split role and my loyalty lay with the supplier as they were my team for several years, looked after me and it was with them i had a great work bond. So when advised the throw them under the bus work wise and give out their login i know how outraged they would have been. I forgot the golden rule, he who pays you holds all the cards.


    .
    Originally posted by Elinore

    You won't say this in your disciplinary meeting, though, will you?



    EDITED TO ADD: As well as following other people's advice, i would argue that your concern all through was to protect the company from losing such an important client/ income stream, or at the very least avoid damaging the relationship between the companies.
    Originally posted by nicechap

    Absolutely this. Your defence at disciplinary, IMHO, should be that you have been trying to act IN THE INTERESTS OF YOUR COMPANY throughout (and BTW I do believe this to be the case). You understood the contract with the external suppliers, and to your mind the incoming new manager needed further explanation of this. Instead of being able to explain it to him, he suspended you. You are concerned that [some tactful flummery should follow about how he could not be expected to absorb the whole thing immediately, but you would have hoped he'd have talked to you more about it. Give him a bit of face saving so there is no risk of you looking vindictive.] his actions in redeploying you might lead to the loss of a very big contract for the company, and everything you have done has been in an attempt to maintain the integrity of the contract and the firm.
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    • Elinore
    • By Elinore 25th Sep 18, 1:32 PM
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    I am a very very lucky person.


    It seems that my old manager went to war, brought along my mirror manager at the supplier firm as well as a higher up. Apparently there was a ruckus and harsh words.

    I have been given a verbal warning, a sharp talking to and I am due to return to work on Monday.

    Under the umbrella of my old manager.

    Ex New manager was unbearably smug as he got his own way. This being said the supplier was rather upset with his handling of the whole matter - So I hope he gets some heat from his superiors.

    Don’t worry, I have gathered that this is all a political battle and has very little to do we me as a person (I just got caught in the crossfire) and more regarding the role itself being manned. In no way means I am bullet proof in my role – but I can’t tell you what a relief this outcome was.

    PS - the union rep was totally different during the meeting, sat by me and argued for England. Though the cynical side of me says she was on HRs side when she thought the chips were going to fall that way and suddenly came out fighting my side when the tables turned. But to be fair to her she was firm and clear with them regards the issues at hand - which, as I was basically a frightened upset mess, was desperately needed. For that she has my undying thanks.

    jobbingmusician - thanks for your comments, only just seen now but what, in essence, my rep argued.

    • nicechap
    • By nicechap 25th Sep 18, 2:48 PM
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    I'm very pleased to hear your successful outcome and pleased to hear the union did well for you. So many of the threads on here would disappear if people were in unions, supported them and used them when needed.

    Might still be time to dust off the CV.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 25th Sep 18, 3:11 PM
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    What a brilliant outcome, Elinore! Thank you for coming back to update us. Too often OP's do not extend this courtesy to those who have taken an interest and offered support on here. I hope ex-new manager is crucified and hung out to dry. Lucky you, you have bucked the trend.

    Don't let there be a next time, will you? And don't forget to pay your union subs. Ain't nothing free in this world.
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    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 25th Sep 18, 7:08 PM
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    I'm pleased for you and you have a couple of days to get yourself back together as it were!
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 25th Sep 18, 7:26 PM
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    Yes a very good outcome and thanks for telling us. But, and this is the lesson for everyone, your employer pays you. Don't fight battles for people who don't pay you. It could have easily gone the other way.
    • Nookie5
    • By Nookie5 25th Sep 18, 7:50 PM
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    So is the verbal warning official or off the record smalltalk? I would kick up a fuss if it's a formal verbal warning since you're just going by your contract.


    And by got his way I'm guessing your job role has now changed, you was forced to give out your login details or they stopped using this supplier?
    Last edited by Nookie5; 25-09-2018 at 7:56 PM.
    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 25th Sep 18, 10:22 PM
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    Pretty good outcome. Shame about the verbal warning, but this should expire quickly - and thank flip you are working to your own manager again
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    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 26th Sep 18, 8:56 AM
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    Yeah, well done Mr. Old Manager, ain't too many like him in the world ime.
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    • Paul_DNAP
    • By Paul_DNAP 26th Sep 18, 10:25 AM
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    That's a great outcome, it is tough to be used as a pawn in the power struggles of a small minded middle manager. I hope the supplier appreciates that you were battling hard for them, but if you do recount the story to them, make sure they understand it's completely off the record.
    (Although I could be wrong, I often am.)
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