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    AP007
    After the Work Programme
    • #1
    • 22nd Jul 13, 8:08 PM
    After the Work Programme 22nd Jul 13 at 8:08 PM
    So, secondary to the WP thread here there are a few who have now finished and have had their meetings at the JC.

    What have they now put in place for you and how often are you going to the JC etc?

    What 'support' have they offered you?

    My meeting tomorrow is about support so would like to know what they have told you all here
    Last edited by AP007; 22-07-2013 at 9:15 PM.
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  • Daedalus
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    • 22nd Jul 13, 8:54 PM
    • #2
    • 22nd Jul 13, 8:54 PM
    What support do you want?
  • AP007
    • #3
    • 22nd Jul 13, 9:14 PM
    • #3
    • 22nd Jul 13, 9:14 PM
    What support do you want?
    Originally posted by Daedalus
    I am asking what the JC have said was on offer as they say they are going to talk about support so wanted to know what they have offered others?

    I do not need support I need them to have contacts at companies like the WP were meant to.
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  • Daedalus
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    • 22nd Jul 13, 9:40 PM
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    • 22nd Jul 13, 9:40 PM
    Why do you need them to have contacts? What would they do with those contacts? Give them to every tom !!!! and harry?
  • AP007
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    • 22nd Jul 13, 10:00 PM
    • #5
    • 22nd Jul 13, 10:00 PM
    Why do you need them to have contacts? What would they do with those contacts? Give them to every tom !!!! and harry?
    Originally posted by Daedalus
    What? The work programme told me they support people by getting them into a job and they do this by having contacts with companies from Reading to Romford (that's what I was told) and they get jobs to advertise and match them up with people on the WP ie that's how they support people into a job. This is fact did not ever happen.

    So just wondering what 'support' is?
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  • busy mom
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    • 23rd Jul 13, 10:12 AM
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    • 23rd Jul 13, 10:12 AM
    I am asking what the JC have said was on offer as they say they are going to talk about support so wanted to know what they have offered others?

    I do not need support I need them to have contacts at companies like the WP were meant to.
    Originally posted by AP007
    JCP will not conatct comopanies for you, you are paid JSA, you should be doing this. They will follow up with companies you have applied to but no adviser will apply for you.

    After WP, and this will vary between each office, you can expect to attend at least twice a week, increased and intense jobsearch, supported jobsearch. Various more courses for supported jobsearch. Access to training (if appropraite) group sessions, MWA and WEX. Sector based work academy, skills conditionality and PET. If after 24 weeks people are still unemployed the community action programme.

    I stress to customers it is no an advisers job to find a job. Each adviser has around 80-100 jobseekers caseloaded, how exactly are they supposed to contact employers for each one in the 40 hours they work, why cant jobseekers contact employers themselves in the 30 hours they are expected to spend jobsearching?

    There is no magic wand under the desk and since UJ JCP hardly liase with employers now.
    • scooby088
    • By scooby088 23rd Jul 13, 11:15 AM
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    • 23rd Jul 13, 11:15 AM
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    • 23rd Jul 13, 11:15 AM
    JCP will not conatct comopanies for you, you are paid JSA, you should be doing this. They will follow up with companies you have applied to but no adviser will apply for you.

    After WP, and this will vary between each office, you can expect to attend at least twice a week, increased and intense jobsearch, supported jobsearch. Various more courses for supported jobsearch. Access to training (if appropraite) group sessions, MWA and WEX. Sector based work academy, skills conditionality and PET. If after 24 weeks people are still unemployed the community action programme.

    I stress to customers it is no an advisers job to find a job. Each adviser has around 80-100 jobseekers caseloaded, how exactly are they supposed to contact employers for each one in the 40 hours they work, why cant jobseekers contact employers themselves in the 30 hours they are expected to spend jobsearching?

    There is no magic wand under the desk and since UJ JCP hardly liase with employers now.
    Originally posted by busy mom
    We all know it's not the advisers job to find employment, but it is the advisers job to make claimants aware of any jobs which may be suitable. you can apply for jobs but you can't make employers interview you.

    Doing intensive jobsearch is a waste of time if you are hitting and exceeding your JSA agreement targets, also signing on daily is a waste of time. I think it rich that my local jcp had a recruitment event for avon a month or so ago...a totally waste of time as you cannot be paid nmw as it's self employed.

    As for community based work will claimants be lumped in with people on community payback, in my mind that is branding JSA claimants as criminals.

    I am lucky in a way I work part time but still sign for NI credits and still have to jump through the hoops, but since asserting my rights with regards to the WP I have had very little help from JCP when I sign I am only there to sign and hand in my b7 form. Another totally pointless exercise in my opinion.
  • busy mom
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    • 23rd Jul 13, 1:15 PM
    • #8
    • 23rd Jul 13, 1:15 PM
    We all know it's not the advisers job to find employment, but it is the advisers job to make claimants aware of any jobs which may be suitable. you can apply for jobs but you can't make employers interview you.

    Doing intensive jobsearch is a waste of time if you are hitting and exceeding your JSA agreement targets, also signing on daily is a waste of time. I think it rich that my local jcp had a recruitment event for avon a month or so ago...a totally waste of time as you cannot be paid nmw as it's self employed.

    As for community based work will claimants be lumped in with people on community payback, in my mind that is branding JSA claimants as criminals.

    I am lucky in a way I work part time but still sign for NI credits and still have to jump through the hoops, but since asserting my rights with regards to the WP I have had very little help from JCP when I sign I am only there to sign and hand in my b7 form. Another totally pointless exercise in my opinion.
    Originally posted by scooby088
    Why is it an advisers job to notify you of jobs that may be suitable? They have access to exactly the same sites as jobseekers so jobseekers should find the suitable jobs themselves. If people are jobseeking properly an adviser should not find jobs the jobseeker hasn't already applied for.

    As for the recruitment, Avon does suit and will suit many people people, NEA for instance people on ESA, partners of benefit claimants.

    Staff do not make the rules they simply enforce them. They do their job exactly the same as you chose to do yours.

    What help exactly do you want from JCP?
    • scooby088
    • By scooby088 23rd Jul 13, 6:18 PM
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    • 23rd Jul 13, 6:18 PM
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    • 23rd Jul 13, 6:18 PM
    Why is it an advisers job to notify you of jobs that may be suitable? They have access to exactly the same sites as jobseekers so jobseekers should find the suitable jobs themselves. If people are jobseeking properly an adviser should not find jobs the jobseeker hasn't already applied for.

    As for the recruitment, Avon does suit and will suit many people people, NEA for instance people on ESA, partners of benefit claimants.

    Staff do not make the rules they simply enforce them. They do their job exactly the same as you chose to do yours.

    What help exactly do you want from JCP?
    Originally posted by busy mom
    Well if advisers cannot help with regards to jobsearch then what is the point of an adviser? Avon maybe ok at providing a small income but then again they or the jcp cannot guarantee anythng like NMW for earnings so it is false advertising on both the JCP and avon.

    When advisers apply the rules it would be nice for them to know of the rule that anyone in receipt of NI credits only cannot be mandated to the WP, advisers are paid to know these things.

    What I want from the JCP is for them to get off my back, I am working only part time I personally get no other benefit from signing on. So don't really need to take the attitude I get off some of the staff in the JCP.
    • Adamthegreat984
    • By Adamthegreat984 23rd Jul 13, 7:53 PM
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    Adamthegreat984
    We've spent 2 years on the useless work programme whos job it is to contact employers and help us, and by the looks of it its been alot of help (sarcasm)
  • busy mom
    You are right than an adviser should know their stuff, but in reality they get very little down time to keep up with changes in legislation.
    BUT as far as the rules state you still have to be available and actively seeking regardless or part time work and the staff will have to treat you the same as any other jobseeker.

    An advisers job is to ensure jobseekers have all the necessary skills to be job ready and satidfying the rules of claiming JSA. They can offer support and where necessary mandate to provision. As for attitude have you seen the grief staff have to put up with now a days? It is not an excuse but with the pressures form above staff are really struggling.
  • busy mom
    We've spent 2 years on the useless work programme whos job it is to contact employers and help us, and by the looks of it its been alot of help (sarcasm)
    Originally posted by Adamthegreat984
    But JCP staff had nothing to do with the WP, and to be honest I agree it is a waste of space. WP worked with customers most likely to get into work cause that is they only way they get any payment.
  • AP007
    The work programme have BDC officers who are meant to do that ie contact companies get jobs in etc but they do not do this.

    This was the 'support' I was told I would get and that they act like an agency

    Had my appointment today and its the same as before the WP. The JCA was not impressed with the feedback she had heard about the WP full stop and even laughed at some of the things I told her

    In regards to my exit report the WP have lied and said I missed 8 appointments which I never did so am taking that further with the WP provider and my MP if I have to.

    Had to also see the National Careers Service which was a bit pointless and at home spent 2 hours doing the online assessment that tells me nothing that I didn't already know.

    The JCA ended with saying there was nothing she could do to help me as my CV was excellent and I have a good cover letter.
    Last edited by AP007; 23-07-2013 at 8:04 PM.
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  • AP007
    But JCP staff had nothing to do with the WP, and to be honest I agree it is a waste of space. WP worked with customers most likely to get into work cause that is they only way they get any payment.
    Originally posted by busy mom
    The JCA advisor told me unless you were looking for a cleaning job or security they would leave you on your own as they have no skills in anything else and they would not spend £ on you if they could not help you get a job
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  • dandelionclock30
    A recruitment drive for Avon!!! FFS!, Avon isnt a proper job which can support a person and their family, its pin money.
    Its seriously sick hearing things like that, this country need proper work for people whereby they can support themselves and sign off.
    I've never heard anything so daft in all my life.
  • AP007
    A recruitment drive for Avon!!! FFS!, Avon isnt a proper job which can support a person and their family, its pin money.
    Its seriously sick hearing things like that, this country need proper work for people whereby they can support themselves and sign off.
    I've never heard anything so daft in all my life.
    Originally posted by dandelionclock30
    Avon?................. Eh?
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  • AP007
    Why is it an advisers job to notify you of jobs that may be suitable? They have access to exactly the same sites as jobseekers so jobseekers should find the suitable jobs themselves. If people are jobseeking properly an adviser should not find jobs the jobseeker hasn't already applied for.

    As for the recruitment, Avon does suit and will suit many people people, NEA for instance people on ESA, partners of benefit claimants.

    Staff do not make the rules they simply enforce them. They do their job exactly the same as you chose to do yours.

    What help exactly do you want from JCP?
    Originally posted by busy mom
    they have also contacts with local companies as the lady I saw told me and they have a new guy at the JC who will do this therefore if they get a call saying 'do you have any secretaries' they will say 'yeah' and call the person with the job details.

    This happened to me before I went to the WP, the JC called me and said they wanted 5 people with good CVs for an accounts job and would I sent my CV to the company.

    This is 'support' surely?

    Then again there is nothing else they can offer anyone.
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  • Daedalus
    The JCA advisor told me unless you were looking for a cleaning job or security they would leave you on your own as they have no skills in anything else and they would not spend £ on you if they could not help you get a job
    Originally posted by AP007
    Why weren't you looking for a cleaning job or security?
  • AP007
    Why weren't you looking for a cleaning job or security?
    Originally posted by Daedalus
    Not a great deal of transferable skills

    And because I was allowed to look for the following and its on my JSA agreement and the agreement with the DWP.

    Accounts Assistant
    Senior Purchase Ledger
    Payroll Officer
    Bookkeeper
    Accounts Admin
    Administrator
    Retail sale assistant


    All at NMW full time or part time and 90 mins away from home and to be able to start the same day.

    If you want to know why they never made me look for security jobs then write them a letter or think of it this way with no experience Id have less chance than the 30 people sitting next to me.

    Also for the same reason I am not looking for a job as a nurse! LOL

    Who would you interview? Someone with experience or someone with none? Hmmmmm
    Last edited by AP007; 23-07-2013 at 8:27 PM.
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  • Daedalus
    God you make so many excuses. You weren't looking for cleaning or security work because the JC didn't put is on your job seekers agreement so you thought you weren't allowed?

    How much experience do you think a cleaner needs?
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