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  • AP007
    how is their ability to use the net and log into sites a threat to someone being dishonest about their jobsearch?
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    I never said it was a threat. Its to PROVE you have applied ie log in and show them its not from 2011. Since they all have the net they can just type in the job reference and see its a current job too as its on the net with the date posted next to it.


    easy.
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  • AP007
    there are still jobs where you can apply via the post. you can also do specs via the post. yes it is better to do it online but you are missing the point. the point which is to diminish their ability to ask for proof you applied. they dont check you applied or even record who you applied to anyway.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    They do not have space on their system to write in 50 jobs nor have the time to do so or it will take them as long as it did to write the stupid thing
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 18th Aug 13, 5:06 PM
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    donnajunkie
    I never said it was a threat. Its to PROVE you have applied ie log in and show them its not from 2011. Since they all have the net they can just type in the job reference and see its a current job too as its on the net with the date posted next to it.


    easy.
    Originally posted by AP007
    that would be giving them access by logging in and letting them have a look. you dont have to do that. they dont require people to put the job ref and also the jobs you have put may have all been specs and therefore not have one anyway.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 18th Aug 13, 5:07 PM
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    donnajunkie
    They do not have space on their system to write in 50 jobs nor have the time to do so or it will take them as long as it did to write the stupid thing
    Originally posted by AP007
    yes i know thats part of my point.
  • AP007
    yes i know thats part of my point.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    but you still can not think you can use a job booklet from 2011
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  • AP007
    that would be giving them access by logging in and letting them have a look. you dont have to do that. they dont require people to put the job ref and also the jobs you have put may have all been specs and therefore not have one anyway.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    If they are job spec letters you will have an email address you can share with the JC or mailing address

    They do require job titles or job refs on the job booklet

    All jobs applied for via the net can be found and confirmed via them looking online showing that this is NOT in fact a re hashed job from Aug 2012
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 18th Aug 13, 5:17 PM
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    donnajunkie
    but you still can not think you can use a job booklet from 2011
    Originally posted by AP007
    if they have no way of telling you can.
    1. they dont record what you show them.
    2. you dont have to put job ref numbers.
    3a. you can apply for jobs through the post.
    3b. this means they cant check online either.

    seeing there is a full date is what tells them it is newly done.
  • AP007
    if they have no way of telling you can.
    1. they dont record what you show them.
    2. you dont have to put job ref numbers.
    3a. you can apply for jobs through the post.
    3b. this means they cant check online either.

    seeing there is a full date is what tells them it is newly done.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    I can tippex out the dates and write over them like I made a mistake and like you have just admitted they barely look so 2011 or 2013 makes no difference to me or them - not that I am ever re hashing jobs and I have told them on more than one occasion that they can check online - when the woman told me 'we don't have net access' but busy mom says otherwise.

    They can check (even if they don't) that all the jobs exist regardless of email, letter, job ref or not
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 18th Aug 13, 5:25 PM
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    donnajunkie
    If they are job spec letters you will have an email address you can share with the JC or mailing address

    They do require job titles or job refs on the job booklet

    All jobs applied for via the net can be found and confirmed via them looking online showing that this is NOT in fact a re hashed job from Aug 2012
    Originally posted by AP007
    yes they can ask for some sort of address you applied to. they cant prove you did or did not apply if its a postal address.
    i've never given a job ref in my life, never been required to. how can you be obliged to give one when the job may not even have one.
    you keep talking about the net and i have to keep reminding you that the jobs they will have put will be through the post.
    there are clearly people out there that are workshy and that deceive the jobcentre with their evidence. why you are trying to make out that is impossible i dont know. the fact that there are people doing it means it is possible.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 18th Aug 13, 5:28 PM
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    donnajunkie
    I can tippex out the dates and write over them like I made a mistake and like you have just admitted they barely look so 2011 or 2013 makes no difference to me or them - not that I am ever re hashing jobs and I have told them on more than one occasion that they can check online - when the woman told me 'we don't have net access' but busy mom says otherwise.

    They can check (even if they don't) that all the jobs exist regardless of email, letter, job ref or not
    Originally posted by AP007
    i think they would tell people to not use tippex and to just cross any mistakes out.
  • AP007
    yes they can ask for some sort of address you applied to. they cant prove you did or did not apply if its a postal address.
    i've never given a job ref in my life, never been required to. how can you be obliged to give one when the job may not even have one.
    you keep talking about the net and i have to keep reminding you that the jobs they will have put will be through the post.
    there are clearly people out there that are workshy and that deceive the jobcentre with their evidence. why you are trying to make out that is impossible i dont know. the fact that there are people doing it means it is possible.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    You keep talking about re hashing job booklets and now we are somehow talking about job applications by post which you love to keep talking about. I do not think of these things as no one really would do that who is really looking for a job with NO money to buy stamps with!

    I am not making out anything at all - I can tell you my job centre will not allow you to write all jobs applied by post.

    Apart from the spec letters I was made to send at the WP I have not sent ONE LETTER for a job at all. The spec letters were not written on my job booklet as they are not job applications.
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 18th Aug 13, 5:30 PM
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    donnajunkie

    They can check (even if they don't) that all the jobs exist regardless of email, letter, job ref or not
    Originally posted by AP007
    they cant check online if you applied to a particular company on spec through the post. there will be no evidence of that online.
  • AP007
    they cant check online if you applied to a particular company on spec through the post. there will be no evidence of that online.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    Applied? A job spec letter is NOT a job application though, is it?

    No need to write it down then.
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 18th Aug 13, 5:37 PM
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    donnajunkie
    You keep talking about re hashing job booklets and now we are somehow talking about job applications by post which you love to keep talking about. I do not think of these things as no one really would do that who is really looking for a job with NO money to buy stamps with!

    I am not making out anything at all - I can tell you my job centre will not allow you to write all jobs applied by post.

    Apart from the spec letters I was made to send at the WP I have not sent ONE LETTER for a job at all.
    Originally posted by AP007
    this is because doing them through the post enables you to avoid being found out thats why. i had to point that out because you kept saying you would be found out by them checking online.
    yes no one who is looking for work would do it. the point is how do they know you are genuine.
    where does it say that on the jsa agreement that all apps cant be through the post?
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 18th Aug 13, 5:38 PM
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    donnajunkie
    Applied? A job spec letter is NOT a job application though, is it?

    No need to write it down then.
    Originally posted by AP007
    you are still applying for work at that employer.
  • AP007
    this is because doing them through the post enables you to avoid being found out thats why. i had to point that out because you kept saying you would be found out by them checking online.
    yes no one who is looking for work would do it. the point is how do they know you are genuine.
    where does it say that on the jsa agreement that all apps cant be through the post?
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    lets say it one time only by checking the JOB EXISTS!!!

    No matter how you applied if the job is a made up one you could not have applied, understand that?

    How is this even relevant to you saying I could re hash all my jobs over the years? I never throw the job booklets away and have over 120 in a bag along with 40 or so sheers of paper and the new sheets they are now giving me.

    bowing out on this one
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 18th Aug 13, 8:24 PM
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    donnajunkie
    lets say it one time only by checking the JOB EXISTS!!!

    No matter how you applied if the job is a made up one you could not have applied, understand that?

    How is this even relevant to you saying I could re hash all my jobs over the years? I never throw the job booklets away and have over 120 in a bag along with 40 or so sheers of paper and the new sheets they are now giving me.

    bowing out on this one
    Originally posted by AP007
    it is not possible to check the existence of all jobs, expecially spec apps that arent even advertised at all. workshy people put jobs they havent applied for on their sheets all the time and dont get found out for reasons mentioned and ignored or disbelieved.
    • mro
    • By mro 9th Feb 14, 12:25 PM
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    mro
    UJM -logged in period
    Has the UJM logged in period changed for others ?

    I keep having to login after shorter periods in last few days after other changes were made to UJM (adding cover letter) and new T&Cs were introduced.

    Before I would remain logged in for long period, maybe up to 24 hours.
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