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    Drea
    Support Each Other In Looking For Work?
    • #1
    • 14th Jan 11, 3:25 PM
    Support Each Other In Looking For Work? 14th Jan 11 at 3:25 PM
    Hey,

    I fully expected to already find a thread like this here and wanted to join in but haven't seemed to find one (if I'm wrong please let me know).

    There are debt free diaries, there's a big daily OS thread, why not have one for those of us looking for work? It can be demoralising and I figure it might help to keep us going.

    I've only been looking a couple days but so far have joined a couple of agencies (not that I hold out much hope with them), applied for around 15 jobs and even had my first proper interview this morning! I think it went well and I hope to get the job, it sounded perfect for me.

    Now I'm sat here half way through an online application form not quite finding the motivation to finish it... I'll get there


    Interview Question Ideas:

    Questions to Ask:

    • Why has this vacancy arisen?
    • How do you review performance?
    • How was the job handled in the past?
    • What would you expect of me in the first six months?
    • What do you see as my key long-term challenges?
    • What is the expected career path for this position?
    • Do you expect me to develop new expertise in any areas?
    • What are the characteristics of successful people in this firm?
    • Where would I fit into the overall structure?
    • Will anyone report into me?
    • Who would I report to and what is the line of authority?
    • Is any training required as part of this job?
    • What are the opportunities for advancement/promotion?
    • What is the firm’s long-term strategy?
    • Is the firm looking to expand into new areas?
    • What is the largest challenge facing the firm at the moment?
    • How would you describe the firm’s values?
    • Is there likely to be any relocation in the future?

    Questions you might be asked:


    Questions where you can sell yourself

    Tell me about yourself.

    • Why do you want this job?
    • What would you expect to accomplish here?
    • Where do you want to be in five years time?
    • Do you consider yourself to be a natural leader?
    • What attracts you to this role?
    • What does success mean to you?
    • What are your career aspirations?
    • What have been your major accomplishments?
    • How would members of your team describe you?
    • What really motivates you?
    • What special skills do you have?
    • What is your greatest strength?
    • What do you do on your days off?

    Questions where the interviewer is seeking informative answers:

    • What do you know about this firm?
    • What is a typical week’s work in your current job?
    • Describe your greatest challenge so far.
    • What are you looking for in your next job?
    • How long have you been looking for another position?
    • Why do you want to work for this firm?
    • What can we offer that your current firm cannot?
    • Do you deal with any of your firm’s top 10 clients?
    • How do you determine priorities?
    • Why should I hire you?
    • How do you handle criticism?
    • What makes a good manager?
    • How do you run a meeting?

    Questions where you may need to turn a negative into a positive:

    • Why do you want to leave your current employer?
    • What has been your greatest challenge in business so far?
    • What are your key strengths or weaknesses?
    • What thing irritates you most in the workplace?
    • Describe your toughest client.
    • How do you work under pressure?
    • Describer a difficult work situation and how you managed it.
    • What do you dislike about your current role?
    • Which tasks don’t you like to do?
    • Is there anyone in your current organisation you really don’t get on with?
    • Do you make your opinions known if you disagree with a more senior member of staff?
    • How do you feel about working weekends?
    • Why aren’t you earning more at this stage of your career?
    • Why were you made redundant/fired?

    Blue-sky questions

    • What would you do if you won the lottery?
    • If you became Prime Minister what would be the first thing you’d change?
    • What do you think of me as an interviewer?
    • If you had to move to another industry, which would you choose?
    Last edited by Drea; 14-03-2011 at 11:46 AM.
    Just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you are a mistake.
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  • Moneywastingexpert
    Excellent idea for a thread!

    i will contribute with my efforts (and suggestions for what they are worth) in due course.

    Drea, as an ex-JCP employee i can promise there are some real passionate, dedicated and actually quite cheerful advisors around........honest
  • grumpyoldwoman41
    as an ex-JCP employee i can promise there are some real passionate, dedicated and actually quite cheerful advisors around........honest
    Originally posted by Moneywastingexpert
    Where?????????

    Please, do tell
  • grumpyoldwoman41

    I find that recuriters are more interested in getting you placed (which can be good, especially in this climate) but sometimes you really need to be forceful where because that comes second most of the time to ensure you're getting some benefit from this arrangement too.
    Originally posted by katkim
    TBH some of the recruiters havent got a clue either and would do pretty well at JC as advisers

    A while ago, while I had my CV on line with few recruiters, they would call me and sing praises of one vacancy or another blah blah blah but change the tone when I asked about the pay... Mostly those jobs were offering half of evel less of what I was on then..

    I absolutely hate seeing jobs advertised when the salary is not stated. Why do I want to waste my time if not suitable?

    I may be unemployed now and have to live on peanuts but while at work my expenses go right up (that includes a dog walker at 200 per month :P) so need to know that the job I am applying for will meet my personal needs and financial commitments....

    Rambling mode off.....sorry...

    Got an interview on the 3rd February - long notice but.. Interview is HALF DAY LONG

    Hope they won't get us to sumo wresstle as part of "show us what a team player you are".....

    And no, I have no idea what the salary is.....sigh....
    • red devil
    • By red devil 19th Jan 11, 9:43 AM
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    red devil
    I signed back onto JSA yesterday and I found it to be very patronising. I left angry and quite upset.

    When I finally got seen to, the women asked for my ID, I handed over my passport which is 8 years old. She accused me of not being who I say I am and said my signature looked 'completely different'. I then gave her my driving licence, she said the same thing! They were taken when I was 16 and the signature wasn't hugely different in that one would suspect given her reaction. She then patronised me saying I must be consistent with my signatures...well from what I have signed (around four pieces of paper), the signatures looked the same to me. Plus, I have a quite unique second name and according to Facebook, there is my family and another family in the US with the same second name and that is it.... we move on.

    She then demanded I tell her three areas that I want to work in, I said entry-jobs for one.... she said what do I mean? What does she think I mean? Jobs that do not require any skills on taking on the role, she put data entry down. The others were retail and customer service, I was fine with them. Right.

    Then I told her I want to move to another city with a friend so I will be looking at jobs there, primarily. I have been living in a living room for 7 months and I do not have a bed so I want to find a house with my friend (it'll be cheaper for me with another person). She looked at me like an idiot.... I didn't tell her about the sleeping arrangements of course, but I just told her I wanted to move to another city. She still put down that I applied for 4 jobs a week in the area I signed on.... even though I do not want to stay there!

    Throughout this she was speaking to me very condescendingly and rude.

    We got to the part of qualifications, I told her I had a degree etc.... she asked me what the hell was I doing there, in the first place. Tough job market, I replied.

    I put on the sheet that I have a jaw operation in February or March, she completely ignored that.

    Then we got down to the infamous jobsearch..... we looked at jobs in the city I currently live despite telling her I don't want to reside here.
    She asked me to apply for a job as a car salesman. I said I know absolutely nothing about cars, she replied saying the advert doesn't say I need to know anything about cars.... I said well it is selling cars so it might be best if I did know something about cars, plus the salary was a respectable 25k. I have never applied for a job that much and the level of expertise needed there would be huge. She then conceded saying OK, we'll leave that one this time..... she then made me look at some jobs and choose one.... but they were all 7 or 8 hours and all in my bloody city! She then decided we would leave it there. She then booked me in for the back to work session in 4 weeks time.

    OH, she also said I should of signed on, on Monday! She spoke to me aggressively yet again. How the hell was I supposed to know that? I got told to come in Tuesday, end of story.

    Finally, I got out of that !!!! hole.

    God I do !!!!ing hate it in there, it really de-motivates me. they are very unhelpful and make you feel small and pathetic. That is NOT the way you treat people who have no jobs but want to work - I find it extremely demoralising that I haven't got a job and feel sick about it every living day. I do not need them making it ten times worse for me. I know there are some nice people that work in the JC but there are also some absolute retards too, just speak to people in a respectful manner, we're not all scum bags.
    Originally posted by orangeboy1988
    make a complaint. I totally agree with you alot of the time there is no sympathy. Chin up.
    • Stew68
    • By Stew68 19th Jan 11, 10:22 AM
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    Stew68
    I do wonder sometimes if the genuine job seekers (like those on this board) are outnumbered by the 'layabouts'. This might make the advisors so jaded that they fail to recognise the genuine ones. I mean can you imagine having to sit there all day dealing with some of the people you see going in there?

    So far going by Drea's and my own experiences, South Wales seems to have the nicest advisors.
  • shikoku
    I think more people should complain; I've got to the point where I intend to ask for a complaint form whenever something inappropriate is said to me or if someone's attitude makes me feel uncomfortable.

    It is a training issue, don't make the complaint a personal whine be a concerned citizen and don't just complain to the job centre copy in local councillors, your MP, etc and make it clear you have done this. The last thing your job centre wants is these people crawling all over their work practices.

    Essentially don't play the victim, we are all worthy of respect.
    ~*~ If you don't need it, it isn't a bargain ~*~
  • katkim
    JC workers are demoralised at the moment since they're also facing huge cuts and redundancy prospects.

    On one hand, karma. I'll like to see how they like it on the other side of the desk, on the other hand I wouldn't wish it on anyone who is genuinely looking for employment.
    • red devil
    • By red devil 19th Jan 11, 10:42 AM
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    red devil
    JC workers are demoralised at the moment since they're also facing huge cuts and redundancy prospects.

    On one hand, karma. I'll like to see how they like it on the other side of the desk, on the other hand I wouldn't wish it on anyone who is genuinely looking for employment.
    Originally posted by katkim
    just ask them how they would like to be spoken to badly?
  • Drea
    I've been looking for work for 8 months :-(
    My major hurdle is a gap on my CV due to ill health......getting employers, agencies or whoever to take a second look at me after telling them that is hard work. I even had one guy from an agency last week, who when I told him about my illness, put the phone down on me!!
    My self confidence is taking a major battering.....I have applied for 82 jobs since December, and if I have heard back from 2 that has been it......beginning to think I am stuck in a huge rut :-(
    Originally posted by elfieb
    Trick with this one (apparently) is to try and bring it around to being a positive. Tell them how it show you have the confidence to battle back from it, etc. Easier said that done though, I know.

    Wow Drea, an amployee at the job centre who doesn't look down their nose at you...I'm impressed!! I hated signing on as I felt I was being judged everytime I went in there!! I did some temping over Xmas but that seems to have dried up now and there is no way I'm going back into the job centre here, it did nothing for my confidence, they can keep their JSA.

    I'm just going to keep looking and do my best to keep positive, hopefully with the help of people here.

    Hang in there everyone, it can only get better!!
    Originally posted by first78
    I was very impressed! Any time I've been before I've come out feeling miserable so it was a nice change, it's a shame it won't be him doing my signings.

    TBH some of the recruiters havent got a clue either and would do pretty well at JC as advisers

    A while ago, while I had my CV on line with few recruiters, they would call me and sing praises of one vacancy or another blah blah blah but change the tone when I asked about the pay... Mostly those jobs were offering half of evel less of what I was on then..

    I absolutely hate seeing jobs advertised when the salary is not stated. Why do I want to waste my time if not suitable?

    I may be unemployed now and have to live on peanuts but while at work my expenses go right up (that includes a dog walker at 200 per month :P) so need to know that the job I am applying for will meet my personal needs and financial commitments....

    Rambling mode off.....sorry...

    Got an interview on the 3rd February - long notice but.. Interview is HALF DAY LONG

    Hope they won't get us to sumo wresstle as part of "show us what a team player you are".....

    And no, I have no idea what the salary is.....sigh....
    Originally posted by grumpyoldwoman41
    I know what you mean, I did have one agency speak to me about a job that pays 10,500. While I understand that people think we should look for any employment, I'd end up in debt and struggling because it just wouldn't cover my bills and I'd get no help with it.
    Just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you are a mistake.
  • Drea
    I do wonder sometimes if the genuine job seekers (like those on this board) are outnumbered by the 'layabouts'. This might make the advisors so jaded that they fail to recognise the genuine ones. I mean can you imagine having to sit there all day dealing with some of the people you see going in there?

    So far going by Drea's and my own experiences, South Wales seems to have the nicest advisors.
    Originally posted by Stew68
    Looks like going to write that letter today to sing his praises!

    -----

    And while writing this, I just got a phone call from the company I went for the interview for. It's a no.

    Although apparently I was a strong candidate and it was between me and another person but she had more relevant experience in a similar role.
    Just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you are a mistake.
  • katkim
    And while writing this, I just got a phone call from the company I went for the interview for. It's a no.

    Although apparently I was a strong candidate and it was between me and another person but she had more relevant experience in a similar role.
    Originally posted by Drea
    Sorry to hear that Drea, but at least you got positive feedback

    I got an interview today, I'm not really prepared! Going to read up on their company now.
  • Drea
    Sorry to hear that Drea, but at least you got positive feedback

    I got an interview today, I'm not really prepared! Going to read up on their company now.
    Originally posted by katkim
    Yeah, trying to look at it that way.

    Good luck with your interview, I think I do better when I'm unprepared I think it's just because I haven't had time to stress about it though. Let us know how it goes
    Just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you are a mistake.
  • shikoku

    Although apparently I was a strong candidate and it was between me and another person but she had more relevant experience in a similar role.
    Originally posted by Drea
    I wish I had a pound for every time I've had that said to me, the first time I was really chuffed despite the disappointment but now I'm beginning to suspect it's the latest way of letting people down gently.
    ~*~ If you don't need it, it isn't a bargain ~*~
  • Drea
    I wish I had a pound for every time I've had that said to me, the first time I was really chuffed despite the disappointment but now I'm beginning to suspect it's the latest way of letting people down gently.
    Originally posted by shikoku
    Oi! I'll have you know I am indeed a very strong candidate
    Just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you are a mistake.
    • webitha
    • By webitha 19th Jan 11, 11:19 AM
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    webitha
    well ive applied for 137 jobs now had 3 interviews, last one was monday, so waiting to hear about that, but she promised me to know either way by yesterday 5pm, not heard so i presume thats another no.
    the rest ive never heard anything back at all, still onwards and upwards, there is a job for me out there...somewhere....i hope
    If we can put a man on the moon...how come we cant put them all there?

  • Drea
    well ive applied for 137 jobs now had 3 interviews, last one was monday, so waiting to hear about that, but she promised me to know either way by yesterday 5pm, not heard so i presume thats another no.
    the rest ive never heard anything back at all, still onwards and upwards, there is a job for me out there...somewhere....i hope
    Originally posted by webitha
    Course there is

    Does anyone keep an up to date spreadsheet of all the jobs they've applied for?

    ....or am I just insane?
    Just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you are a mistake.
  • shikoku
    Only for the previous two weeks, I print it out instead of using the booklet. Mostly they barely glance at it.
    ~*~ If you don't need it, it isn't a bargain ~*~
    • webitha
    • By webitha 19th Jan 11, 11:32 AM
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    webitha
    i dont know nowt about spread sheets, but i keep a copy of every application form/email app, its getting rather thick now lol
    If we can put a man on the moon...how come we cant put them all there?

    • webitha
    • By webitha 19th Jan 11, 11:41 AM
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    webitha
    aaarrgghhh just looked on direct gov and the job i heard nothing back from a few months ago is back on
    i could do it with my bleeding eyes shut, and have done for many years,
    im gonna reapply, lets see if i get anywhere with it this time
    If we can put a man on the moon...how come we cant put them all there?

    • Stew68
    • By Stew68 19th Jan 11, 11:43 AM
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    Stew68
    Sorry to hear that Drea, but at least you got positive feedback

    I got an interview today, I'm not really prepared! Going to read up on their company now.
    Originally posted by katkim
    Good luck Katkim, i've got an interview this afternoon as well as 2.00pm. I've done all the prep and going to start getting ready soon.

    What do other people do when they've got an interview in the afternoon, i've just been trying to chill and currently watching an episode of Doctor Who trying not to get stressed about it. I much prefer an interview in the morning, get it over and done with!
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