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Enfieldian · 9 June 2010 at 3:19PM

word of warning to anyone even thinking of doing it- everything youve read on here is true, yes its fun-youll have a ball but omg you work sooooooo hard for nothing!!!!

Not much of a job then is it? Most people work for the money to live with, if you get paid nothing it kind of defeats the point, no matter how much of "a ball" you have...........

[Deleted User] · 9 June 2010 at 4:54PM

The_Rock wrote: »

Ive bin in my job for 4 months now on one of these so called scams.,I can see the frustration as to why people feel they get conned.I still feel i got conned into the business too because i didnt apply for the job either and when i came for my interview the second time i was whisked away to some area watching what was going on and thinking ''i dont think i can do this''
I know the strain of commission based earnings and know it can be tough.My first week i made just under £140 and i thought 'this isnt for me' but i knucked down and carried on and now i make around £400 a week and has been as high as £800 a week.The scam bit of it isnt true because you get paid real money and i have seen some of my friends get promoted and i have seen them make big money and open up offices and stuff.I think half the people who write blogs are people who has never gave the business a chance and have never seen people get promoted so they just presume its all a scam.How i see it is that if you never started,or you quit then thats because you couldnt sell or you gave up,because the people around me have proven to me that there is light at the end of the tunnel all i got to do is get there.:beer: Have a gooden peeps,happy job hunting x

Fortunatly you're one of the ones who does get paid for what work you do, I worked for P&D or also named under JMS Marketing in a Liverpool office (Bixteth Street) and became one of the best salesmen within 3 weeks of working there, I was promoted to leadership after just 2 weeks.

I had exceeded my sales targets every single week, but still wasnt being paid by the end of it, to get paid I eventually had to threaten to get a solicitor involved and then I had my money. It is a con because not everyone has ready access to a solicitor so won't bother with the arguing and presuring the boss for their hard earned cash.

You say that the business isn't a con. I myself was promoted in very fast amounts of time and I still know it's a con.

To go even deeper into the company. If you're good enough you will eventually be told & taught how to run your own office, because no body is told how to open up their office because it consists of this: (You will see why they hide it by the end)

Opening up your office consists of you become assistant manager for an office or the office you work for, this is simple, doing things like interviews and admin and all sorts of office based things not really going out into the field which yes you will and do learn a lot from this
HOWEVER!!!!!!!

Once you're trained you will be asked to sign a contract for 10 YEARS!!!
Where you will be in around £40,000 worth of debt to Jesse Young (MD of PerDM)

You WILL NOT! Earn the rumored 1-3 thousand pounds a week, you will earn around £300 a week (roughly £15,000 a year)

Plus on top of that you still have to pay Jesse Young the debt back which has interest on top of it!

The only winner here is Jesse Young the magic man who lives in California......Oh no! Wait! No he doesn't, he lives in Manchester England! Driving round in his brand new Aston Martin DB9 while all his little "Business owners" are in debt to him paying for his mansion, his children to go through private school (If he has any kids that is) and for his nice shiney car.

I take my hat off to Jesse for conning people into making him rich I really do, the people I can't stand are the people in the Liverpool office (or any office PerDM own for that matter) they're the real con-men, desperate to make a sale so they can wipe their debt clean and get out of the business that brainwashed them and ruined 10 years+ of their lives.

It's called "Multi-level Marketing" this is just a fancy term for pyramid scheme, and the office owners in debt to Jesse Young are at the very bottom, and the men & women who walk the streets....Even lower!

If you read all this I hope you truely to take it all in because you may think how do I know this?
I know thisbecause I've been there and done it. PERIOD!
So no one can come back and say I'm wrong because I've seen it and experienced it with my own eyes.
Thank you for reading

TheKaf22

anonymousmancunian · 10 June 2010 at 9:23PM

Wow, this forum has been quite interesting and very useful!
As a student needing to save up for my travels after University I've been searching for jobs and sending my cv to companies. I went on Monster.co.uk on Tuesday night (11 pm or even midnight) and got a phone call at around 10am the next day telling me that the manager was really impressed with my CV and that they wanted to arrange an immediate interview with me the next day. The company was Oracle Advertising Limited situated in Manchester, near Canal Street and next to the National Express bus station. I thought it was a bit weird being called in so soon, but I've never had a proper job so I got a bit swept up in the idea of an interview and so went along to see what was what. I thought it was weird that the waiting room had two tvs playing the music channels but stuck around for my interview because the offices looking nice enough and professional.
Looking back on it, I think the receptionist knew I was a bit suspicious because she kept a conversation going with only me when another 10ish people were waiting to be seen.

The manager was called Ali Mir. He seemed nice enough. He told me about the companies such as Npower and Sky which they "represent" and also told me that people earned between £200-£1000 a week depending on how hard they were willing to work. He explained that this was a three interview process. The one I had today lasted around 10 minutes and was very vague. I had filled out an application form and he literally just repeated what was written on it, ticking it. He told me that Oracle Advertising was part of (I think this is right) Cobra and that although it was only a few years old, it was expanding in Canada, America and Brazil most recently (an attempt to impress interviewees no doubt). He gave me his card and asked if I could come back tomorrow for a second interview at 12-9pm! I thought this was extreme but said yes.

I got home this evening and explained what had happened to my parents. They seemed equally suspicious and so we googled the company and this forum came up. I've decided I'm going to stay in bed tomorrow and watch the World Cup instead of (if some of these posts are anything to go by) being dragged to some other city for hours for no reason.

Hopefully other people will see this forum before getting further into the process than me.

hatecobra · 12 June 2010 at 11:05AM

anon1405 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me if Oratory UK are involved in this scam? I've seen trident house, dale street, liverpool being mentioned before, and this too seems like the typical "no experience neccesary", "call back next day" type of scam.

I don't want to go to the interview if it's just going to be as previously described!

Thanks for a heads up

Anon.

Yes they used to be called code marketing but had to change their name coz of their shocking reputation!!! ALex Pinker is still the manager (or owner as he calls it)
Avoid!! it is a scam!!!

DeeRam · 13 June 2010 at 9:43PM

That is an interetsing comment further up. That they claim to be a legit company, doing door-to-door sales... AND are working with the Red Cross.

As far as two individuals have told me, both of which have experience with law... it is illegal to ask for donations that way in the UK, the most you can do is rattle a bucket/collecting tin when people walk past. You are not allowed to ask people directly, or approach them. (definately not ring their doorbell to ask)

people with more reasons to mess with the company could quite happily report that to the appropriate office if they can get proof of this being done by the company. However... as the people who fall for this scheme are self employed, they will most likely be the ones getting the blame, not the company they are meant to "work" for,

sarah-lou_5 · 14 June 2010 at 11:56PM

Spud20531 wrote: »

Good job I came across this site. A woman from P & D Marketing phoned me up just then, she claimed she got my CV off fish4jobs and that she had a 'Customer Service' role for me. I immidiately sensed something was up, too many things she said didn't add up, but I put it to the back of my mind. Then she said she would send an e-mail with details of the interview here it is (by the way I took my name out of the e-mail, I've also took out the links because as a new user I cannot post links because of spam):
P & D Marketing Ltd
Suite 303 / 314, 3rd Floor
Cotton Exchange
Bixteth Street
Liverpool
Merseyside
L3 9LQ
0151 236 7750

Dear ,
Your preliminary interview is scheduled for 10/05/2010 at 12:40 PM.
On arrival at our location, you will be presented a brief application form. Please bring a copy of your CV to attach to support your application form. Your preliminary interview including waiting time and time to fill out the form, will last for approximately 30 minutes.

During your interview you will be asked to provide an insight into your previous roles and responsibilities and how those experiences could benefit our company. You will also be given an out line of the history of our company, the services we provide for our clients and our goals for the future. Dress code is smart business.

We look forward to meeting you in person. If you unable to attend your interview please don’t hesitate to contact us and we will endeavour to provide an alternate date. Below are directions.
We are situated in the Cotton Exchange (Bixteth Street entrance) in suite 303 on the 3rdfloor. There is pay and display parking available on Bixteth Street, also parking is available on Pall Mall. Please follow signs for Business Advertising. Your interview will be with Stephen Powell, the Managing Director.

Upon arrival to room ask to see Juile Kennedy and you will be provided will all necessary paperwork.

Kind regards,
Julie Kennedy
P & D Marketing Ltd
HR Department
0151-236-7750

Upon checking my e-mail account I found another e-mail which was sent yesterday. Here is the first one they sent:

Your timing could not be better! We just reviewed your CV on the Fish4Jobs Database and based on your experiences, we see a potential match with our company.
A little about us: P&D Marketing is an international promotional sales and marketing company situated in Liverpool City Centre. Our company executes face to face marketing campaigns for our clients in the charity, telecommunications and media entertainment industries. For additional information, please feel free to view our website:
Due to our continuous success with our clients we are expanding rapidly, which has led to us looking to bring people in for various full-time opportunities. We are looking to provide training from the entry level in sales and marketing, customer service, and promotions with the opportunity to progress through to management for the more ambitious.
The information that you have provided has demonstrated that your past experiences and ambitions potentially could match our company needs. We are currently holding preliminary interviews so you can meet with one of our managers – they will be able to go into more detail about the different positions we have available, the duties involved, as well as the pay scale. We are looking to fill these positions as soon as possible; please contact me via phone on one of the numbers below or email to arrange a suitable date and time for your interview.
Look forward to hearing from you soon!
Julie Kennedy
HR Department
P & D Marketing Ltd

Tel:0151 227 1880

So I was happy I'd got an interview, and as with every interview I decided to do some research. I typed in P & D Marketing in google, and 'scam' came up, which confirmed my feeling that something wasn't quite right. Needless to say I won't be attending the 'interview' on Monday, which is in the Cotton Exchange in Liverpool.

I was lucky because I found this site, but if things are really as bad as described, then keep up the good work in reporting these companies.

Thanks again

Hi, Im 16 yrs old and im looking for a job to fund college and uni tuitions and i applied for the exact same job as you. I got the same emails back and someone called tiffeny called me too. I have an interview tomorrow at 5pm at the cotten exchange. i thought this was a little wierd because it was buisness offices which get let out to people.
Should i just not go to the interview or call up and tell them were to go?
Thanks for posting this because i wouldn't know what i would have done if i was scammed.
Thank you xxx:)

uknitty · 17 June 2010 at 7:41PM

I've not been touched personally by one of these companies, but as I have been on the look out for a new job over the last 12 months I visit recruitment websites pretty often and always get annoyed by the amount of "spammy" adverts posted by a company known as MCUK (or sometimes media circus uk) they always have at least 5 adverts posted every day for roles advertised as "customer service" "admin" and of course "sales" -

APPLY TODAY, START TOMORROW! Sales Marketing

Do you have something special? Are you energetic, funny, ambitious? Well if this sounds like you, you're exactly what we are looking for.
We are a progressive and growing sales and marketing company who specialise in Customer acquisation, Sales, Marketing and promotional work for 5 star clients for the telecoms, insurance and entertainment industry throughout the UK & Europe.
We are looking for fresh faces to start with us asap for Sales / Customer Service representatives and marketing roles. Don’t loose out the opportunity of joining a company who loves to have fun fun & more fun.
No Experience required as full product training provided / Management positions available.
Realistic OTE earnings of £ 300 - £400 per week for the right people.
If you think you're fresh enough Send your C.V.

Registered office is 44 Rathbone Road in Wavertree, Liverpool (which from googlemaps looks like a residential street to me). Is MCUK yet another name for this group of companies ???

hatecobra · 18 June 2010 at 12:45PM

uknitty wrote: »

I've not been touched personally by one of these companies, but as I have been on the look out for a new job over the last 12 months I visit recruitment websites pretty often and always get annoyed by the amount of "spammy" adverts posted by a company known as MCUK (or sometimes media circus uk) they always have at least 5 adverts posted every day for roles advertised as "customer service" "admin" and of course "sales" -

APPLY TODAY, START TOMORROW! Sales Marketing

Do you have something special? Are you energetic, funny, ambitious? Well if this sounds like you, you're exactly what we are looking for.
We are a progressive and growing sales and marketing company who specialise in Customer acquisation, Sales, Marketing and promotional work for 5 star clients for the telecoms, insurance and entertainment industry throughout the UK & Europe.
We are looking for fresh faces to start with us asap for Sales / Customer Service representatives and marketing roles. Don’t loose out the opportunity of joining a company who loves to have fun fun & more fun.
No Experience required as full product training provided / Management positions available.
Realistic OTE earnings of £ 300 - £400 per week for the right people.
If you think you're fresh enough Send your C.V.

Registered office is 44 Rathbone Road in Wavertree, Liverpool (which from googlemaps looks like a residential street to me). Is MCUK yet another name for this group of companies ???

MEDIA CIRCUS UK LTD WAS SETUP BY A ADMIN FROM ORATORY COMMERCE LTD (USED TO BE CODE MARKETING) IN LIVERPOOL BECAUSE OF THE SHOCKING REPUTATION THE OFFICE HAD.

THERE IS LOTS OF INFO ON SCAM.COM ABOUT IT:

mail(DOT)scam(DOT)com/showthread.php?t=121156

AVOID!!!!

jonboy69 · 18 June 2010 at 5:01PM

It seems as though these companies now have to be on their toes because of threads like this which allow prospective employees an insight into what they are about to let themselves in for.

People can make their own judgement on this company, but personal experience from genuine people mean more than the brainwashing you recieve from the second you walk into that office.

Surely Kevin, it cant be an extrordinary coincedence that EVERYONE who you have hired over the past few years has left the business?

Maybe its time you accept the fact that thousands of people are right and its you that is wrong! Not the other way around.

FACT: JMS Marketing ltd, will at some point change its name.

FACT: Everyone that works for Kevin O'neill right now will leave the business at some point this year.

Kevin O'neill.

Business advertising Ltd
Cotton Exchange building
Bixteth Street
Liverpool
L3 9LQ

:money:

villa_girl · 22 June 2010 at 4:36PM

Congratulations on being selected for an appointment with our Managing Director. The interview will last between 15-20 minutes, to discuss your previous work experience, and to see whether you would fit into our company goals for the future.

Your appointment will be on:

Date:
Time:

We are situated on the 4th floor of Premier house, which is on Darlington Street in Wolverhampton (address below). I have inserted some simple directions to help you find us. If you need any more help please don't hesitate to contact us on the phone number below.

Please confirm email has been received

Thanks for your interest in AMM Direct Ltd here's a little bit about us:

AMM Direct Ltd is one of the West Midlands fastest growing sales and marketing companies dealing with brand name clients from various different industries fom telecommunications and finance to cosmetics industries. We are looking for ambitious, enthusiastic individuals to help us run our increasing client portfolio immediately. Successful applicants will have access to top quality help and guidance in the following areas:

Ø Sales/Promotions
Ø Customer Service
Ø Marketing Strategies and Sales Techniques
Ø How to Manage Your Clients
Ø Full Product Training
Ø Business Development

What We Offer:

Ø Continuous support and advice geared towards the individual
Ø Fun, professional, results-driven environment
Ø Blue-chip clients & career confidence spanning a variety of industries.
Ø Personal and business advancement

We look forward to meeting you in person.

As we are updating the website we have created a temporary web page please follow the link

Regards

Amm Direct Ltd
Premier House 4th Floor
Darlington Street
Wolverhampton
WV1 4ND
01902 716233

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