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Judgement for Claim (in defalult) - PCM & Gladstones

MORB
MORB Posts: 72 Forumite
edited 17 February 2019 at 9:10PM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
Hi all,
I have received a JfC in default on behalf of PCM from Gladstones. The matter is regarding 3 alleged parking contraventions that occurred in feb '17. I sent requests for POCs shortly after receiving the invoices initially sent my PCM (do not still have copies, but was a few lines requesting POC's), likely toward the end of May.

I heard nothing further and presumed PCM were no longer going to to pursue the invoices. In July I left the UK and the address to which initial correspondence were sent. a family member continues to reside there, and in making preparations to return to the UK requested that they open residual mail sent to the address. Amongst the mail was the JfC (in default) dated the 20th Nov. As such no preceding correspondence were received (other letter in the pile was the LBC from Gladstones, but still no POCs!!).
I have been out of the country and travelling for over 5 months and of no fixed abode during this time. I will be leaving the UK again for a prolonged period again in a few months but am happy to allow PCM/courts/Gladstones to correspond to the original address while this plays out. The claim is for £658 and constitutes 3 alleged contraventions, none of which have merit, and likely pertain to instances of stopping in a loading bay that had no prohibitive markings (no yellow lines -was not a parking space) and which was for the sole use of my previous employer (from whom I obviously had permission to be in the bay).

Next steps:

- Fill in the N244 form and return 3 copies to CCBC.
- Including a statement of my case RATHER than a witness statement
- Indicate that I'd wish for reimbursement from the claimant of the set aside fee
- Pay £255.00 via cheque (how very archaic???)

I will post up my defence shortly for critique but would in lieu of that be very grateful for any comment the great and wise here would be willing to offer?

Thanks in advance
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Comments

  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,630 Forumite
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    edited 16 December 2017 at 12:47AM
    MORB wrote: »
    Couple of qu's:
    1) Does the N244 (sorry if answered elsewhere but seems very little info around this) need to be sent via post or can I email?
    2) Do I need to mention at this point that I'd wish for reimbursement of the set aside fee ?
    3) Can I pay the fee online/over the phone? via Bank transfer (again little info around on this)
    There is lots of information around on this.

    Just one example, there one hundred and seventy-one threads here that mention 'N244'.

    Stick how to pay court fees into google for the answer to one of your questions.
  • MORB
    MORB Posts: 72 Forumite
    edited 16 December 2017 at 1:05AM
    Thanks Keith - have edited the post to remove the questions. I'm under a fairly tight deadline as I arrive back in UK on the 19th and the JfC was issued on the 20th Nov and given I have 1 month to pay in full am very eager to prevent the CCJ being registered, hence the slightly premature newbie questions.

    The smaller question aside, are you of the opinion that I have a reasonable chance of getting a hearing based on the summarised facts above?
  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    MORB wrote: »
    The smaller question aside are you of the opinion that I have a reasonable chance of getting a hearing based on the summarised facts above?

    frankly, I could not even read post #1 because its one big wall of text and not split up into paragraphs like I was taught in primary school

    a good idea would be for you to edit it and use the RETURN KEY more often so that it can be easily read in chunks

    and example of this is in this my reply

    I would hope that the defence is paragraphed correctly if a judge is supposed to read it

    good luck
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,630 Forumite
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    Yes your reasons for not seeing the claim while abroad are perfectly OK, and will (IMHO) lead to a set aside hearing.

    We have loads of threads about them to read, where you will learn so much more than on this thread alone. I can only recall one person not getting a CCJ set aside and they were going to appeal that refusal decision, especially given the fact they won another case against the same PPC. Everyone else has got the CCJ set aside here and some have even got the £255 fee refunded by Order of the Judge straight away.
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  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,630 Forumite
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    Sorry, but now that you have deleted the questions from your original post it would make my post look a bit silly.

    To avoid that, I have decided to quote your questions in my reply.
  • MORB
    MORB Posts: 72 Forumite
    KeithP wrote: »
    Sorry, but now that you have deleted the questions from your original post it would make my post look a bit silly.

    To avoid that, I have decided to quote your questions in my reply.

    Understood Keith - thanks for you're time in responding nonetheless.
  • MORB
    MORB Posts: 72 Forumite
    edited 16 December 2017 at 1:29AM
    Thanks for your affirmation Coupon Mad - that's amble encouragement to proceed.

    Will post Defence shortly - would be wonderful to have your thoughts if you have the time?

    Additionally, given I am asking the court to hear the claim once more and the debt recovery process by Gladrags may be considered restarted after the 1 October (post Pre-action Protocol ruling). Will this require them to adhere to the strictures of this protocol and as such I presume I should include this in the Witness statement when requesting set aside?
  • Quentin
    Quentin Posts: 40,405 Forumite
    MORB wrote: »
    ....I'm under a fairly tight deadline as I arrive back in UK on the 19th and the JfC was issued on the 20th Nov and given I have 1 month to pay in full am very eager to prevent the CCJ being registered, hence the slightly premature newbie questions......
    The CCJ will already be registered, and will remain on the register till your set aside hearing is successful which will be months.


    (Just in case there is some major reason why you cannot have a ccj on the register now and are under the impression its not)


    (If you are considering paying it to avoid a ccj on the register, then the creditor must get funds within the month following the date of the judgement, and to be sure the ccj gets removed you should get proof its been paid so that you can deal with this yourself in case the claimant doesn't inform the Court)
  • Quentin
    Quentin Posts: 40,405 Forumite
    MORB wrote: »

    Additionally, given I am asking the court to hear the claim once more and the debt recovery process by Gladrags may be considered restarted after the 1 October (post Pre-action Protocol ruling). Will this require them to adhere to the strictures of this protocol and as suggest I presume I should include this in the Witness statement?
    You don't need to ask the court to hear the claim again


    That's up to the creditor to pursue after you get a set aside.


    But if you are applying for a set aside then ask the Court to put a stop on any enforcement applications by the claimant pending the set aside hearing.


    That stops any chance of bailiffs/earnings attachment etc
  • MORB
    MORB Posts: 72 Forumite
    Coupon-Mad et al- Draft Witness Statement - Comment very welcome!

    Thanks all in advance.

    Claim No. xxxxxxxxx



    In the Matter of:


    Parking control management ltd (Claimant)


    -v-


    XXXXXX (Defendant)


    _____________________________________


    Witness Statement

    _____________________________________




    I am XXXXXXXX and I am the Defendant in this matter.


    This is my supporting Statement in support of my application dated 16th Dec 2017 to:


    Set aside the Default Judgement dated 20/11/17 as it was not properly served at my current address;

    Order for the Claimant to pay the Defendant £255 as reimbursement for the set aside fee;

    Order for the original claim to be dismissed, or to be re-heard at a new hearing;

    Order to stop any enforcement applications by the claimant pending the set aside hearing.


    1. Default Judgement


    1.1. I understand that the Claimant obtained a Default Judgement against me as the Defendant on 20/11/17 , However, this claim form was not served at a current address and I thus was not aware of the Default Judgement until I requested my residual mail from a resident of my previous address.


    1.2. At the time of the County Court Judgement I was travelling in South America and was of no fixed abode. As Parking Control Management Ltd (hereon referred to as PCM) had received no correspondence from me and I had not responded to the court summons, I believe they had reasonable cause to question whether they were using an accurate address. Further endeavours should have been reasonably undertaken to discover I was no longer residing at said address.


    1.3. I believe the Claimant has behaved unreasonably in pursuing a claim against me without ensuring they held the Defendant’s current and correct contact details. According to publicly available information my circumstances are far from being unique. The industry’s persistent failure to use correct and current addresses results is an unnecessary burden for individuals and the justice system across the country. This is a topical issue: I note that the Justice Minister The Rt Hon Sir Oliver Heald QC MP announced on the 23rd December 2016 a consultation and information campaign to help protect consumers from debt claims. The consultation will look at ways to; “better protect consumers who are sent mail to inaccurate addresses and verify addresses again before a claim is sent.” He added:

    "It cannot be right that people who are unaware of debts can see their lives and finances ruined by county court judgments. In the digital age, we must ensure companies pursuing unpaid debts make every reasonable effort to contact individuals, rather than simply relying on a letter to an old address."



    1.4. On the basis provided above I would suggest that the Claimant did not fulfil their duty to use the Defendant’s current address when bringing the claim.



    1.5. I have also not received any previous documentation from the Claimant (as requested) in this matter and I thus was never able to properly challenge the Claimant’s claim. This is despite my best efforts as noted below.



    1.6. Having discovered Default Judgement court papers contain no details of the alleged incident and I do not know what the Default Judgement relates to. I not confident that I know what vehicle this relates to.



    1.7. I attempted to contact the Claimant via phone number on their website more recently (Dec 2017). I was not able to get through to a member of the Claimant’s staff to discuss the matter as they have an automated phone system that does not allow you to talk to an advisor without inputting a numerical code. As I had never received any return communication from them I do not have such a code. There is no alternative means of contacting them provided. I am still without further detail having established no other correspondence was delivered to the same, at my old address. I have immediately responded to the discovery of the Judgement against me and have given the Claimant adequate time to provide the requested information but they have not done this. This means as the Defendant, I still do not have adequate details of the incidents the Claimant alleges have taken place and had long ago reasonably concluded that the claimant ceased their claim. As such I left the country believing the matter was at an end due to no further correspondence after the initial requests for compliant particulars of Claims many months ago (May 2017)..



    1.8. Considering the above I was unable to defend this claim properly. I thus believe that the Default Judgement against me was issued incorrectly and thus should be set aside.



    2. Order dismissing the Claim



    2.1. I have received no documentation regarding what vehicle this alleged contravention relates to, thus do not even know that I am in fact the Registered Keeper.


    2.2. The Claimant, PCM have not proved that the alleged incident relates to a vehicle for which I am the Registered Keeper. Further to this, even then any Notice to Keeper served by the Claimant would have needed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. This includes the requirement to issue the Notice to Keeper within 14 days of the alleged incident. Since I have not received any documentation from the Claimant prior to finding out about the Default Judgement, or indeed after, I submit the Claimant will not have complied with the requirements of the Act and thus cannot claim this charge against me as the Registered Keeper in any case.


    2.3. If the Notice to Keeper was not issued within 14 days, then the Claimant is required to prove who the driver of the vehicle was at the time of the alleged incident. I have no recollection of ever parking at the location of the alleged incident. The vehicle that I am the Registered Keeper of, can driven by other insured adult and is on occasion driven by other adults with their own comprehensive insurance. I submit that the Claimant cannot provide such evidence of the identity of the driver. I further submit that the Claimant does not include ‘Protection of Freedoms Act 2012’ wording on the Parking Charge Notices they issue and therefore cannot hold the Defendant automatically liable for the alleged incident merely for being the Registered Keeper of a vehicle.



    2.4. If the Claimant has obtained details of the vehicle for which the Defendant is the Registered Keeper, and used those details to make a claim for a “Parking Charge Notice’’, I thus dispute the claim in its entirety as I do not know the wording of the contract nor do I know the means by which the contract was alleged to come into force.


    2.5. I further submit that the Claimant’s claim is without merit due to substantial issues in law. This is for the following main reasons:


    2.5.1. Lack of Standing by Claimant: The Claimant is unlikely to be the landowner of the car park in question, and will have no proprietary interest in it. This means that the Claimant, as a matter of law, will have no locus standi to litigate in their own name. Any consideration will have been provided by the landholder, and only they would have been able sue for any damages or trespass.


    2.5.2. No Loss Suffered by Claimant: Their claim is presumably based on damages for alleged breach of contract. It is a fundamental principle of English Law that a party who suffers damages through breach of contract can only seek through court action to be put back in the same position as they would have been if the breach had not occurred. In order to do so, they must demonstrate their actual, or genuine, pre-estimate of loss. I submit that no loss has been suffered by the Claimant as a result of any alleged breaches of contract on the part of any motorist of the vehicle of which I am the Registered Keeper. I further submit that any loss to the landholder (which would be the only party able to claim such losses) would be at most a few pounds.


    2.5.3. Claimed charge is an Unenforceable Penalty: I further submit that the Parking Charge that the Claimant claimed, given it is not based on any loss suffered due to the alleged breach, is nothing but an unenforceable penalty.


    2.5.4. No contract with the claimant: Any contract must have offer, acceptance and consideration both ways. There would not have been consideration from the Claimant to the motorist; the fee for parking benefits the landowners, not the Claimant. Therefore, there is no consideration from the motorist to PCM.



    2.6. On this basis I believe that the Claimant has not provided any reasonable cause of action and thus the claim should be dismissed in its entirety.



    2.7. In order to make informed decisions and statements in my defence as keeper of a vehicle, I will require copies of all paperwork, photographs relating to contraventions and pictures of all signs from the Claimant.



    Statement of Truth:

    I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.

    Full name:

    Dated:

    Signed:
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