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    MissKitty
    MPGS - What's it Like??
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    • 10th Jan 12, 9:28 PM
    MPGS - What's it Like?? 10th Jan 12 at 9:28 PM
    Hi all

    Someone in my family is just about to leave the army after 24 years service and is thinking about joining the Military Provist Guard Service (MPGS).

    I was wondering if there is any ex soldiers out there that are currently in the MPGS that could pass on a bit of advice.

    The starting pay is only 18,237.48 so quiet a drop from SNCO levels.
    How quick is it to get through the ranks and what's the job like? has anyone else found it hard leaving the army and taking such a big pay cut? I know my family member has a pension to top up the pay so that helps a bit.

    Does anyone have any experience of how long it takes APC Glasgow to get through your application and hopefully offer you a job?

    Any advice for my family member would be appreciated.
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    • Esoog
    • By Esoog 10th Jan 12, 9:55 PM
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    • 10th Jan 12, 9:55 PM
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    • 10th Jan 12, 9:55 PM
    Not MPGS but the application process can sometimes take ageeeeeees; for no apparent reason. For instance someone I know (incidentally went NRPS in the end) put in an MPGS application; its was 9 months before anyone got back to him; the application is still in process now even though he has an NRPS (to be ftrs) post as they've not checked with him for ages. I monitor his (lack of) progress on TRHJ occasionally.

    The 203(or is it 208??) form that gets sent off to check previous service record really doesn't take that long so no idea why some applications take so long heh. I think it can depend on the AFCO.


    What's it like? Who knows, but stagging on the gate all day...what fun! But some people love it as it's an extension of service life really.
  • MissKitty
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    • 10th Jan 12, 10:08 PM
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    • 10th Jan 12, 10:08 PM
    Thanks for your post.

    He is looking at it as more of a last option as there isn't many decent jobs that are well paid in the area he lives in.

    He has been told that they are desperate to recruit MPGS. I cant understand why the process can take so long when he has got 24 years service under his belt.

    It's a big move being in one job for 24 years then suddenly being in the big bad world, it's not exactly the best time to be leaving with all the recruitment bans and redundancies going on.
    • Esoog
    • By Esoog 11th Jan 12, 8:36 PM
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    • 11th Jan 12, 8:36 PM
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    • 11th Jan 12, 8:36 PM
    Yeah they are pretty keen to get more people methinks (despite a big freeze not too long ago...)

    I think the delay comes down to AFCO staff who probably don't view MPGS as their priorities/or aren't under as much "pressure" to process their applications as quickly, and the fact that the Wing at APC dealing with former service isn't actually that big (ie a few people for the whole country).

    The obvious benefit to the MPGS jobs are; decent steady wage and promotion, housing (SFA certainly) and being in the Army enviroment still. There's nothing to say he couldn't join up and do a few years whilst looking for other jobs/doing some quals etc. :]
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    • By gt568 12th Jan 12, 5:47 PM
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    • 12th Jan 12, 5:47 PM
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    • 12th Jan 12, 5:47 PM
    Barrier up, barrier down. Simples.
    Down with the signature fascists!!
    • jojo_the_joyful
    • By jojo_the_joyful 13th Feb 12, 8:06 PM
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    • 13th Feb 12, 8:06 PM
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    • 13th Feb 12, 8:06 PM
    Hello,

    My Hubby has been with MPGS for nearly 5 years after serving 24 also.

    We came back to England after 10 years in Germany for his last 6 months & he applied for the MPGS.

    He was advised to nag and nag and nag, as insiders told us the local "station" was desperate.

    Initially he was offered a post some 70 miles away, but he asked about our local camp, did the training & started.

    Nag, Nag, Nag is the advice I'd give.

    When on the phone, he'd talk to an army bloke first then next it would be a navy bloke who was none the wiser of the first call etc.

    Yep, the pay is pants, but we knew that, but we still get his pension now & an SFA and all the benefits.( and his final pension will be added to) For us, knowing he is not going to be deployed again, a regular wage and a job until he is 55 along with security for the kids is enough.

    Some do sail quickly through the ranks but again, they have to make noises that they want promotion and most of the time promotion means moving.

    Most importantly, it means my hubby who was institutionalised in the army at the age of 16 is able to maintain his institutionalised lifestyle rather than having to live in the big wide world.
    Hope this helps.
  • oscardog
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    • 30th Mar 12, 4:19 PM
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    • 30th Mar 12, 4:19 PM
    Is like being a soldier permanently doing extras.
  • MissKitty
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    • 30th Mar 12, 8:15 PM
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    • 30th Mar 12, 8:15 PM
    Hello,

    My Hubby has been with MPGS for nearly 5 years after serving 24 also.

    We came back to England after 10 years in Germany for his last 6 months & he applied for the MPGS.

    He was advised to nag and nag and nag, as insiders told us the local "station" was desperate.

    Initially he was offered a post some 70 miles away, but he asked about our local camp, did the training & started.

    Nag, Nag, Nag is the advice I'd give.

    When on the phone, he'd talk to an army bloke first then next it would be a navy bloke who was none the wiser of the first call etc.

    Yep, the pay is pants, but we knew that, but we still get his pension now & an SFA and all the benefits.( and his final pension will be added to) For us, knowing he is not going to be deployed again, a regular wage and a job until he is 55 along with security for the kids is enough.

    Some do sail quickly through the ranks but again, they have to make noises that they want promotion and most of the time promotion means moving.

    Most importantly, it means my hubby who was institutionalised in the army at the age of 16 is able to maintain his institutionalised lifestyle rather than having to live in the big wide world.
    Hope this helps.
    Originally posted by jojo_the_joyful


    Thank you for your reply, I haven't been on here for a few weeks so I have only just noticed it.

    My hubby is also just about to finish after 24 years service and has applied like his family member. He has submitted all the paperwork but their not very quick at doing anything. He has been told that if he gets taken on he cant start till 4 weeks after the date he officially leaves the army.

    He knows there is jobs available at our local camp as he has been to speak to the guy in charge. I think he will have to keep bugging Glasgow to get a response.

    The money is rubbish but I guess the pension bumps it up, but like you say their doing what they enjoy and know but not getting deployed.

    Thanks for your comments, it's always good to hear from someone who is already in that life.
    • Esoog
    • By Esoog 31st Mar 12, 1:55 PM
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    • 31st Mar 12, 1:55 PM
    Thank you for your reply, I haven't been on here for a few weeks so I have only just noticed it.

    My hubby is also just about to finish after 24 years service and has applied like his family member. He has submitted all the paperwork but their not very quick at doing anything. He has been told that if he gets taken on he cant start till 4 weeks after the date he officially leaves the army.

    He knows there is jobs available at our local camp as he has been to speak to the guy in charge. I think he will have to keep bugging Glasgow to get a response.

    The money is rubbish but I guess the pension bumps it up, but like you say their doing what they enjoy and know but not getting deployed.

    Thanks for your comments, it's always good to hear from someone who is already in that life.
    Originally posted by MissKitty
    The money is rubbish compared to what they have been paid in the Army, however it's a decent wage on civvy street these days. I don't known anything about your husband (and I'm not talking about him personally), he could be traded and qualified up to his eyeballs - but most aren't - in all honesty would he have got paid as much as he did in civvy street as he did in the Army? Doubtful really, I know WO2s on 40k that would struggle to get a job as a (insert menial job here) in reality. So if he gets the job take it as bonus! A little easy money after 24 years of being messed around And remember there's plenty of people that would love the pants mpgs pay :>
  • MissKitty
    The money is rubbish compared to what they have been paid in the Army, however it's a decent wage on civvy street these days. I don't known anything about your husband (and I'm not talking about him personally), he could be traded and qualified up to his eyeballs - but most aren't - in all honesty would he have got paid as much as he did in civvy street as he did in the Army? Doubtful really, I know WO2s on 40k that would struggle to get a job as a (insert menial job here) in reality. So if he gets the job take it as bonus! A little easy money after 24 years of being messed around And remember there's plenty of people that would love the pants mpgs pay :>
    Originally posted by Esoog
    Your quiet right in what you say.

    When he first mentioned about applying for the MPGS and what the wages were I felt a bit disappointed for him, after working so hard for 24 years and working his way up the ranks, to start at the bottom again with such a low wage felt like a bit of a slap round the face for him.

    After hours/days/weeks of trawling the internet in search of a new career you soon realise that the pay in the army when you work your way up is pretty good compared to civvy street and there was no way he was ever going to match it unless he is very highly qualified and goes into a management positions.

    We've had a fantastic time traveling around the world over the years and our daughter has had some great experiences for such a young child, she's been places and seen things that alot of children her age wouldn't get to see, thanks to my husbands career.

    At the end of the day it's a stable job till he's 55 and no deployment. We would rather have him home at the end of the day and have a normal life. It's made me realise we will be quiet lucky if he does get the job as there is so much unemployment at the moment.

    I will miss the summer ball's though, I loved the chance to get dressed up and have a good night out. All good things come to an end!!
  • Jud546
    Hi,
    I'm also trying to get into the MPGS for the same reasons as cited by the OP. I have had my application in since December and have been pestering my AFCO at least once a month to find out any progress, but kept getting told "no news, you'll just have to wait".
    The last I heard was beginning of April when I rang the AFCO again and he said that my application was with the career manager at Glasgow and was basically told 'don't call us, we'll call you when we hear something'.

    With this in mind, does anybody know of a number at Glasgow or elsewhere I can call to check up on my application progress? To be honest I've lost confidence in the AFCO who are supposed to be acting on my behalf.

    Cheers.
    • molerat
    • By molerat 4th May 12, 2:26 PM
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    I don't understand. You spend most of your service career trying to get out of doing gate guard then get a job doing ..........
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  • MissKitty
    Hi,
    I'm also trying to get into the MPGS for the same reasons as cited by the OP. I have had my application in since December and have been pestering my AFCO at least once a month to find out any progress, but kept getting told "no news, you'll just have to wait".
    The last I heard was beginning of April when I rang the AFCO again and he said that my application was with the career manager at Glasgow and was basically told 'don't call us, we'll call you when we hear something'.

    With this in mind, does anybody know of a number at Glasgow or elsewhere I can call to check up on my application progress? To be honest I've lost confidence in the AFCO who are supposed to be acting on my behalf.

    Cheers.
    Originally posted by Jud546
    My husband has now been out of the army 3 weeks, he has been chasing our local army careers office where he applied, but been told he will know as soon as they know. He was told he couldn't start till at least 4 weeks after leaving the army, I think it is something to do with his pension!!

    APC Glasgow are not quick at doing anything, a pretty rubbish service for a loyal soldier with 24 years service behind him.

    I'm not sure if your allowed to ring Glasgow direct about your application. Good luck anyway.
  • MissKitty
    I don't understand. You spend most of your service career trying to get out of doing gate guard then get a job doing ..........
    Originally posted by molerat
    There isn't exactly alot of choice for decent jobs out there at the moment, lots of places have recruitment bans on or are laying people off.

    My husband has spent months looking for something decent, there is plenty of jobs about but they are really badly paid. He's not looking to earn a fortune, just something decent so we can pay the bills.

    The MPGS is a good steady job till your 55 and has lots of good benefits with it, alot more than some companies are offering.
    • molerat
    • By molerat 4th May 12, 2:46 PM
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    molerat
    There isn't exactly alot of choice for decent jobs out there at the moment, lots of places have recruitment bans on or are laying people off.

    My husband has spent months looking for something decent, there is plenty of jobs about but they are really badly paid. He's not looking to earn a fortune, just something decent so we can pay the bills.

    The MPGS is a good steady job till your 55 and has lots of good benefits with it, alot more than some companies are offering.
    Originally posted by MissKitty
    I know what you mean and know a couple of people in the job. It just seems ironic that the job is doing something that most service people put a lot of effort over 22 years avoiding
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  • Jud546
    I know what you mean and know a couple of people in the job. It just seems ironic that the job is doing something that most service people put a lot of effort over 22 years avoiding
    Originally posted by molerat
    That's very true, but you don't realise how good you have it until you don't. Besides, it's money for old rope for ex military and the rates of pay aren't bad compared to civvy street jobs, not to mention the free medical,dental etc.
  • Jud546
    My husband has now been out of the army 3 weeks, he has been chasing our local army careers office where he applied, but been told he will know as soon as they know. He was told he couldn't start till at least 4 weeks after leaving the army, I think it is something to do with his pension!!

    APC Glasgow are not quick at doing anything, a pretty rubbish service for a loyal soldier with 24 years service behind him.

    I'm not sure if your allowed to ring Glasgow direct about your application. Good luck anyway.
    Originally posted by MissKitty
    MissKitty,

    Your hubby is in the same position as me. I waited the prerequisite period due to pensions etc but am still waiting. I agree that you're probably right about not being allowed to contact Glasgow, but being faced (no doubt like many others) with a disinterested AFCO, there doesn't seem to be a lot of options to gain help or advice anywhere else.

    Good luck with his application too.
  • MissKitty
    I know what you mean and know a couple of people in the job. It just seems ironic that the job is doing something that most service people put a lot of effort over 22 years avoiding
    Originally posted by molerat
    I have friends that complain alot about their hubbies being in the army and I know there is alot of down sides, like when their away alot, but it also has alot of good sides too.

    Now we're on the other side I can tell them about our experiences and I remind them that unless their hubbies are qualified to the neck and can walk into a good job straight away, there is no way they will be getting the same pay on civvy street as in the army.

    It has made us realise that if you work hard and make your way up the ranks you actualy get a decent wage and good benefits, something that being on civvy street doesn't provide. There is no way you could rent a decent house on civvy street for the same price as an army quarter.

    I tell all my friends save as much as you can while your getting it good and plan for the future, as the army wont look after you forever. We bought our house 4 years ago and we're really settled, it was the best move we ever made. It took some of the stress away when my hubby left as you have enough to think about without house hunting.
  • MissKitty
    MissKitty,

    Your hubby is in the same position as me. I waited the prerequisite period due to pensions etc but am still waiting. I agree that you're probably right about not being allowed to contact Glasgow, but being faced (no doubt like many others) with a disinterested AFCO, there doesn't seem to be a lot of options to gain help or advice anywhere else.

    Good luck with his application too.
    Originally posted by Jud546
    Thank you Jud546

    I have the feeling we will be waiting a while too. My husband is doing agency work at the moment, the pay is rubbish but at the end of the day we are grateful he has a job and it is local.

    The only problem with agency work is it stops you from doing certain things. Our mortgage deal has just come to an end and we could get a better deal with another bank but I know they wont be interested as his job isn't permanent. We feel forced to stay with our current bank and not get as good a deal until he gets a permanent job.

    It just shows you what the state of the country is when a soldier with 24 years service cant walk straight into a decent job.

    Let me know how you get on, if we hear anything I will let you know too. Fingers crossed for both of you
  • NailFace
    Ive recently left the forces and I feel for all you guys. The job market is quite pants at the mo. MPGS is a really good option due to pension benefits and also the lifestyle. MPGS is only going to get bigger due to budget cuts
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