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Catch 22- Shared ownership- confused millenial ! Rejected by HA for earning to much but below 90,000

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  • haras_nosirrah
    haras_nosirrah Posts: 2,208 Forumite
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    I am a mortgage advisor who specialises in shared ownership and has done for 10 yrs. I also do financial assessments for a london housing association. This is how we do it based on the housing association I assess for - others may be slightly different but I would expect them all to be similar.

    With housing associations the criteria normally goes
    live and work in area
    people with children
    couples
    singles

    in terms of the affordability it would be that the maximum is 45% of their net salary (after deductions for loans, pensions, credit cards, maintenance etc) and more than 35% of their net pay. It has to be between these two parameters.

    If under 35% then you are 'too affordable' and the scheme is designed for people who cannot afford to get onto the open market rather than those who want cheap housing. They would be expected to buy more and if they can afford over 75% would not get the property.

    over 45% would be outside affordability

    We base the mortgages at a rate of 5% to account for rate increases (and because we find this roughly matches the lenders affordability)

    It is possible the others lived closer, there were two of them, rather than it just being on the affordability.
    I am a Mortgage Adviser
    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • mmlady12
    mmlady12 Posts: 18 Forumite
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    Thanks for context around the financial assessments you do for the housing association.. when you say the others live closer.. are you talking about miles? since I live in the same borough as the property I wanted to buy..


    why are couples seen as priority over a single applicant?


    could you explain more about the financial assessment? I would like to prepare myself for the next application I do..if I get to financial assessment stage..


    Isit true many people fall at this stage? if so why is this?
  • haras_nosirrah
    haras_nosirrah Posts: 2,208 Forumite
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    mmlady12 wrote: »
    Sigh


    I am not being a drama queen about the situation or complaining at how unfair life is. I am just a bit annoyed and was complaining that I fall into a grey area of millennials who have worked super hard to get to a good stage and earn a good amount a year.. but certain schemes are not accessible to me .. despite shared ownership eligibility criteria being 90,000 on the government website.


    and yes the other candidates probably earn 46,000 - 48,000 making them eligible
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    HTB is an option..but when I did the calculations.. I would be spending around 1800-1900


    e.g on average new 2 beds in north London go for 450,000.


    1. I try to by 80% that's £360,000
    2. Equity loan £90,000
    3. Mortgage ££337,500 (after deposit has been removed)
    4. on a 4.8% interest that's around 1900 a month
    leaving me with 600 on bills/council tax and other expenditure. which I might be able to manage just about


    It is hard for young single people.. I am not trying to be a spoilt millennial.but a lot of my peers are struggling.. these schemes wither work if you are a low earner or you have a partner and have a joint income..


    I have none of those at the moment.. single as hell!!!


    I have done a quote for your help to buy property
    450k with the equity loan and a mortgage of £337,500

    on a 2 yr fix you would be looking at £1056 a month, on a 5 yr you would be looking at £1121

    I can't comment on affordability due to not seeing payslips and bank statements but just to let you know that you aren't looking at anywhere near £1900 a month. I have based the above on a 35 yr mortgage
    I am a Mortgage Adviser
    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • haras_nosirrah
    haras_nosirrah Posts: 2,208 Forumite
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    mmlady12 wrote: »
    Thanks for context around the financial assessments you do for the housing association.. when you say the others live closer.. are you talking about miles? since I live in the same borough as the property I wanted to buy..


    why are couples seen as priority over a single applicant?


    could you explain more about the financial assessment? I would like to prepare myself for the next application I do..if I get to financial assessment stage..


    Isit true many people fall at this stage? if so why is this?

    Couples are seen as a priority simply because the housing association are then housing two people rather than one.

    With the assessments I don't get to decide who does and doesn't get the property - I get sent the person in top position to assess. If they pass and can get a mortgage they get it, if they don't they don't and it goes to number 2 on the list.

    It is easier to get newbuilds than resales would be my tip - simply because rather that 10 people going for 1 property you have 10 people going for lots of properties so law of averages mean you are more likely to get it
    I am a Mortgage Adviser
    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • sal_III
    sal_III Posts: 1,953 Forumite
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    You are well within the SO criteria, it's just on this specific occasion there were applicants, better matching the HA criteria.

    People with lower income, are able to save less, making it harder to get a higher deposit and/or mortgage - this is why they have priority for SO.

    Re HTB, your calculations are wrong and you can get 2bed with HTB for less than 350k in decent area. For example:

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/new-homes-for-sale/property-74468687.html

    For 320k with HTB an 5% deposit the math is:

    Deposit: 16k
    Equity loan: 128k
    Mortgage: 176k (well within your affordability)

    Monthly:

    Mortgage: ~750
    Service charge+ground rent: ~250
    Total: £1000

    After 5 years if you can't afford or doesn't want to repay the equity loan, or pay the interests on it - just sell.

    There.
  • mmlady12
    mmlady12 Posts: 18 Forumite
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    great thanks! I attached the quote i got from help to buy website.. and increased to 35 years.. and it was giving me a monthly calculation of 1600.. how did you get a lower monthly mortgage?. this repayment is not considering the 90,000 loan which is interest free for 5 years right? So one would or should start making provisions to pay back that loan.. unless it is taken at market value when property is sold.... so that's how I got to the 1900 number a month
  • mmlady12
    mmlady12 Posts: 18 Forumite
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    MSE wont let me post links.. so can't show the quote.. but i used the helptobuy calculator
  • Klr005
    Klr005 Posts: 23 Forumite
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    mmlady12 wrote: »

    but how is someone who earns less than me more in need?

    Because they meet the criteria for this property but might not for another property if it was more expensive. Earning more, you could also meet the criteria for other properties.
    As their options are more limited, they get first dibs.
  • sal_III
    sal_III Posts: 1,953 Forumite
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    The HTB calculator is assuming 4.8% rate on the mortgage which is ridiculous for the next several years. also you don't have to repay the loan out of your poket - just sell it and move on with the build up equity in the last 5 years.

    I have mentioned this before - just ignore the equity loan and just act as if you bought a 192k (using my above example) property that was upgraded to 320k property for free for 5 years. Sure at the end of the 5 years you won't benefit from potential price rise on 40% of the equity, but who cares.
  • haras_nosirrah
    haras_nosirrah Posts: 2,208 Forumite
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    mmlady12 wrote: »
    great thanks! I attached the quote i got from help to buy website.. and increased to 35 years.. and it was giving me a monthly calculation of 1600.. how did you get a lower monthly mortgage?. this repayment is not considering the 90,000 loan which is interest free for 5 years right? So one would or should start making provisions to pay back that loan.. unless it is taken at market value when property is sold.... so that's how I got to the 1900 number a month

    The help to buy calculator may be giving you a rate which is much higher (same as we have to use 5% on the shared ownership calculator when you won't be paying anywhere near that)

    realistically you are looking at a rate of 2% for a 5 yr fix (subject to affordability, credit checking etc etc)

    equity loan will cost you £131 a month after yr 5

    I got a lower mortgage as I am a mortgage broker - I have access to the actual lender rates and it won't be anywhere near 4.8%
    I am a Mortgage Adviser
    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
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