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    • MSE Faye
    • By MSE Faye 7th Mar 17, 4:23 PM
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    Women fighting state pension changes to protest outside Parliament on Budget Day
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    • 7th Mar 17, 4:23 PM
    Women fighting state pension changes to protest outside Parliament on Budget Day 7th Mar 17 at 4:23 PM
    WASPI campaigners will be joined by supportive MPs and trade unionists in a bid to force a Government compromise...
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  • jamesd
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    • 7th Mar 17, 4:55 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 4:55 PM
    Will MoneySavingExpert please cease it's advocacy of increased gender discrimination?

    What that WASPI is seeking is:

    1. A six year difference in state pension benefits for fraternal twins born on the same day if one is male and the other female.
    2. A six year difference in state pension benefits for women born one day apart, depending whether they are within or outside the date range they are campaigning on.

    The previous governments used staggered introduction of the changes to avoid big cliff edges like that and compromised on the more recent increases by limiting the maximum extra delay to no more than eighteen months.

    The three other founder members have a different campaign for help just to women who need it, not the effect of an earlier pension age for all women regardless of need.
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 7th Mar 17, 4:59 PM
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    • #3
    • 7th Mar 17, 4:59 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 4:59 PM
    You mean the 'deluded' WASPI woman. Those who think the 'clock should be turned back' for them. The 1995 Pension changes were well publishised at the time. The prblem seems to be that too many of them were spending their time watching daytime TV to be aware about the changes that were happening. They should have gone to specsavers.
    • badmemory
    • By badmemory 7th Mar 17, 5:15 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:15 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:15 PM
    Here we go again! A group of women fighting to embarass all other women who learnt to read before they hit 50. We fought for equality, we can't just have one bit and not the rest. Not that we have equality with graduated retirement benefit but you can't have everything. Seriously though they must be very thick skinned to want to admit their ignorance in front of the whole country.
    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 7th Mar 17, 5:22 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:22 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:22 PM
    I'm a 50s woman (born in 1956) and certainly remember the hoo-ha when the increases were announced in the 1993 budget - and then well publicised in the media. OK, most ladies had a moan about the changes, but it did mean that they were discussed at length in the shops, at work, in the hairdressers, etc etc. No excuse for claiming ignorance - I assume that these misguided minnies are only doing that because they think that it bolsters their cause. It doesn't.

    Could the equalisation of State pension age between men and women have been introduced differently? Of course it could - it should have been included in the 1975 Sex equality/discrimination act. That way, it could have been drip fed in as a 1 year increase each decade starting in 1985.
    • dunstonh
    • By dunstonh 7th Mar 17, 5:47 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:47 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:47 PM
    MSE really ought to understand what they are supporting. It just goes to show that MSE doesnt really do what is best for consumers but what is best for its own commercial image.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). Comments are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 7th Mar 17, 5:51 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:51 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:51 PM
    I believe they'll be a question made (probably by Mhairi Black) at PM Question time tomorrow, prior to the Budget, demanding 'justice' for the GRASPI woman. no doubt it will be answered by TM showing them two fingers. I thinks the GRASPI'S will find there day outs been a waste of time, along with the rest of there I'll founded campaign.
    • Bootsox
    • By Bootsox 7th Mar 17, 5:56 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:56 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 5:56 PM
    In the modern parlance:

    MSE=virtue signalling
    • Archi Bald
    • By Archi Bald 7th Mar 17, 6:13 PM
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    • #9
    • 7th Mar 17, 6:13 PM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 6:13 PM
    Found this on Twitter. It is spot on. Amazing that the MSE Journalists don't appear to have investigated this campaign properly.

    • molerat
    • By molerat 7th Mar 17, 6:13 PM
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    I hope it rains ................ on their parade
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    • Archi Bald
    • By Archi Bald 7th Mar 17, 6:16 PM
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    This is one of the main campaigners. Hands up those who want to pay more NI and tax to keep her in the style she is accustomed to.

    • molerat
    • By molerat 7th Mar 17, 6:30 PM
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    Love the caption. I do think the writer was trying to make a point.
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    • dunstonh
    • By dunstonh 7th Mar 17, 6:59 PM
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    Found this on Twitter. It is spot on. Amazing that the MSE Journalists don't appear to have investigated this campaign properly.
    Dont they work for the Daily Mail?
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    • bmm78
    • By bmm78 7th Mar 17, 7:37 PM
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    It may be a good idea to avoid the First Class carriages on trains coming into Euston tomorrow morning, and give a wide berth to Michelin star restaurants around the Westminster area in the afternoon.
    I work for a financial services intermediary specialising in the at-retirement market. I am not a financial adviser, and any comments represent my opinion only and should not be construed as advice or a recommendation
    • mjm3346
    • By mjm3346 7th Mar 17, 9:04 PM
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    Greedy women already going to get too much too soon want even more.
    • One-Eye
    • By One-Eye 7th Mar 17, 10:23 PM
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    The MSE article....
    A campaign group battling controversial changes to the women's state pension age is staging a demonstration outside Parliament tomorrow
    should read...
    A controversial campaign group battling changes to the women's state pension age is staging a demonstration outside Parliament tomorrow
    • brewerdave
    • By brewerdave 8th Mar 17, 9:00 AM
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    There were two women on BBC Wales news this morning - as usual claiming that the Government were "stealing" £42,000 which they had paid in over 40 years of work -they were off to London for the demo. Hope it absolutely p******s down!!!
    • GunJack
    • By GunJack 8th Mar 17, 9:18 AM
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    There were two women on BBC Wales news this morning - as usual claiming that the Government were "stealing" £42,000 which they had paid in over 40 years of work -they were off to London for the demo. Hope it absolutely p******s down!!!
    Originally posted by brewerdave
    yeah, I saw them, almost launched my coffee at the telly

    but then, they can't be that intelligent, coming out with a statement like that but having missed all the publicity & info that started 24 years ago.........
    ......Gettin' There, Wherever There is......

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  • jamesd
    Someone really should explain that it's WASPI trying to steal from them. The earlier state pension age would mean that many women would reach state pension age before 6 April 2016 and not be eligible for the flat rate pension. Since that normally pays women more it's not an improvement to miss out on it.

    The WASPI two remaining founders may not be affected by this because I think that they worked enough to get over that flat rate level anyway. It's their less well off sisters who would be hurt by it.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 8th Mar 17, 9:44 AM
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    I'm a 50s woman (born in 1956) and certainly remember the hoo-ha when the increases were announced in the 1993 budget - and then well publicised in the media. OK, most ladies had a moan about the changes, but it did mean that they were discussed at length in the shops, at work, in the hairdressers, etc etc. No excuse for claiming ignorance - I assume that these misguided minnies are only doing that because they think that it bolsters their cause. It doesn't.

    Could the equalisation of State pension age between men and women have been introduced differently? Of course it could - it should have been included in the 1975 Sex equality/discrimination act. That way, it could have been drip fed in as a 1 year increase each decade starting in 1985.
    Originally posted by Silvertabby
    I'm a 50's woman too, I knew over 20 years ago that I wouldn't get my pension at age 60.
    I was originally told it would be paid next month at age 63 years and 6 months but it was then put back to 64 years and 9 months.

    I'm ashamed to be in the group of women that WASPI say they are representing.
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