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    • Former MSE Helen
    • By Former MSE Helen 25th Jun 14, 3:37 PM
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    MSE News: Struggling with benefit changes? Contact your council - £20m unclaimed last
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    • 25th Jun 14, 3:37 PM
    MSE News: Struggling with benefit changes? Contact your council - £20m unclaimed last 25th Jun 14 at 3:37 PM
    More than £20m meant to help those struggling with housing costs following benefit reforms wasn't spent by councils...

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    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 25th Jun 14, 4:32 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 4:32 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 4:32 PM
    but individual councils are still refusing discretionary housing payments to recipients of DLA. truly shocking
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    • 25th Jun 14, 5:03 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 5:03 PM
    the councils dont have a clue what they are doing themselves nothing surprises me when it comes to them but then again it will probably line the pockets of the big wigs directors bonuses
    • Housing Benefit Officer
    • By Housing Benefit Officer 25th Jun 14, 5:29 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 5:29 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 5:29 PM
    but individual councils are still refusing discretionary housing payments to recipients of DLA. truly shocking
    Originally posted by nannytone
    So if a claimant for DHP receiveS DLA care and mobility but don't spend a penny on care and mobility should it be disregarded as income when calculating any entitlement to DHP?
    These are my own views and you should seek advice from your local Benefits Department or CAB.
    • brightonman123
    • By brightonman123 25th Jun 14, 5:30 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 5:30 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 5:30 PM
    local council guy suggested I apply for DHP, even though turned down last year- seems a single person, reasonably healthy, with no dependents, are not worthy of help with dreaded bedroom tax!
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    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 25th Jun 14, 7:07 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 7:07 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 7:07 PM
    So if a claimant for DHP receiveS DLA care and mobility but don't spend a penny on care and mobility should it be disregarded as income when calculating any entitlement to DHP?
    Originally posted by Housing Benefit Officer
    i didnt say that.
    someone affected by the reduction in housing benefit on my council arent asked what they use their DLA for, they just automatically class it as income.
    so its not a case of people not using it for their disability ... the council dont care what it is used for .. it is income!
    even though it is disregarded for every other means tested benefit
    • tomtontom
    • By tomtontom 25th Jun 14, 7:13 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 7:13 PM
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    i didnt say that.
    someone affected by the reduction in housing benefit on my council arent asked what they use their DLA for, they just automatically class it as income.
    so its not a case of people not using it for their disability ... the council dont care what it is used for .. it is income!
    even though it is disregarded for every other means tested benefit
    Originally posted by nannytone
    Let's not forget the additional premiums on those means tested benefits on top of their DLA. It seems fair that DLA is counted as income, when someone receiving JSA alone could have less than half the income of someone in receipt of DLA.
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 25th Jun 14, 7:14 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 7:14 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 7:14 PM
    Let's not forget the additional premiums on those means tested benefits on top of their DLA. It seems fair that DLA is counted as income, when someone receiving JSA alone could have less than half the income of someone in receipt of DLA.
    Originally posted by tomtontom
    It's not fair when many peoples disabilities costs more than their DLA.
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    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 25th Jun 14, 7:33 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 7:33 PM
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    • 25th Jun 14, 7:33 PM
    Let's not forget the additional premiums on those means tested benefits on top of their DLA. It seems fair that DLA is counted as income, when someone receiving JSA alone could have less than half the income of someone in receipt of DLA.
    Originally posted by tomtontom
    i dont necessarily disagree with you. i have stated time and time again, that it is the singlres and childless couples that are having the worst time.
    but as indie says .. the disabled have extra costs.
    and those on low rate care receive no premiums.
    up to last may, i was in the position that i received £40 a week in disability benefit, but was paying out in excess of £50 a week to maintain my indepeandance. i was also having to top up my rent by £14 and my council tax by £5. i didnt apply for DHP because i was managing and i thought that the funds could be better spent elsewhere.
    as it stands, the council wouldnt have been interested in what my |DLA was being spent on. they wouldnt have considered helping me regardless.
    someone on JSA has far more prospects of improving their lot than a disabled person
    • Housing Benefit Officer
    • By Housing Benefit Officer 25th Jun 14, 7:56 PM
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    i didnt say that.
    someone affected by the reduction in housing benefit on my council arent asked what they use their DLA for, they just automatically class it as income.
    so its not a case of people not using it for their disability ... the council dont care what it is used for .. it is income!
    even though it is disregarded for every other means tested benefit
    Originally posted by nannytone
    When we look at DHP claims we look at all income and all expenditure before deciding to award or not and for how long we should award. DHP is only a short term solution and isn't meant to roll on year after year. Someone getting DLA is substantially better off than a 20 year old on JSA.
    These are my own views and you should seek advice from your local Benefits Department or CAB.
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 25th Jun 14, 8:02 PM
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    Someone getting DLA is substantially better off than a 20 year old on JSA.
    Originally posted by Housing Benefit Officer
    No we're not. A healthy 20 year doesn't have that many extra costs. Especially when they live at home.
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    • Confuseddot
    • By Confuseddot 25th Jun 14, 8:56 PM
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    No we're not. A healthy 20 year doesn't have that many extra costs. Especially when they live at home.
    Originally posted by Indie Kid
    Be interested to see a comparison how much you get a week and how much do you spend on care/mobility.


    How much less than the 57.35 you think you left with ?
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    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 25th Jun 14, 8:59 PM
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    When we look at DHP claims we look at all income and all expenditure before deciding to award or not and for how long we should award. DHP is only a short term solution and isn't meant to roll on year after year. Someone getting DLA is substantially better off than a 20 year old on JSA.
    Originally posted by Housing Benefit Officer
    yes they are.
    but a 20 year olds long term prospects are far better than a disabled persons.
    i was lucky and managed to secure one of only 2 1 bed properties in the market town where i live.
    the other disabled people face either paying towards their rent indefinately or having to move away from their support.
    DLA is awarded because their additional living costs have been recognised. this wasnt intended to include rent.
    i accept that you say in your local authority, that the costs of disability are included in the DHP award, but in muy area i know a man that is totally wheelchair bound. he can talk but has no control over any of his limbs. he gets 4 14 minute visits a day from carers.

    his DLA paid for extra help and yet was taken into account in full when he app;lied for DHP, and so he was trefused
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 25th Jun 14, 9:05 PM
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    Be interested to see a comparison how much you get a week and how much do you spend on care/mobility.


    How much less than the 57.35 you think you left with ?
    Originally posted by Confuseddot
    there is such a big hump between low and middle rate care.
    as staed above ... this time last year i was struggling to juggle everything. i was having to choose between being able to see my family and paying my rent.
    i moved and my DLA was upgraded. with premiums, my income doubled overnight!
    those people on low rate, that still have significant needs ( my needs are no greater now than they were the day before my nbenefits were raised ... i just managed to tick the box!) are really struggling.
    to hear that councils are sitting on a large pot of funding, yet denying people that need it, is shocking.
    disability benefits are paid because people need it just to live in the most basic way, not to pay rent for a room that they dont use, dont want, but are unable to move because there are no 1 bed places available
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 25th Jun 14, 9:06 PM
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    Be interested to see a comparison how much you get a week and how much do you spend on care/mobility.


    How much less than the 57.35 you think you left with ?
    Originally posted by Confuseddot
    you get disability money... what do you use yours for?
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 25th Jun 14, 9:11 PM
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    there is such a big hump between low and middle rate care.
    those people on low rate, that still have significant needs ( my needs are no greater now than they were the day before my nbenefits were raised ... i just managed to tick the box!) are really struggling.
    Originally posted by nannytone
    It's the same for me. I was told by tribunal a few years ago that I was borderline. I was told by tribunal this year that I'd just managed to tick the box for mid rate care.
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    • Confuseddot
    • By Confuseddot 25th Jun 14, 9:53 PM
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    you get disability money... what do you use yours for?
    Originally posted by nannytone

    I was querying the point that all those who get DLA/PIP are less well off than those who are 20 on JSA which you agreed with me on ....


    What I spend my disability money on is neither here nor there but I do know I am not and have never been before or after my pip award been living on 57.35.
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    • Confuseddot
    • By Confuseddot 25th Jun 14, 9:57 PM
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    yes they are.
    but a 20 year olds long term prospects are far better than a disabled persons.
    i was lucky and managed to secure one of only 2 1 bed properties in the market town where i live.
    the other disabled people face either paying towards their rent indefinately or having to move away from their support.
    DLA is awarded because their additional living costs have been recognised. this wasnt intended to include rent.
    i accept that you say in your local authority, that the costs of disability are included in the DHP award, but in muy area i know a man that is totally wheelchair bound. he can talk but has no control over any of his limbs. he gets 4 14 minute visits a day from carers.

    his DLA paid for extra help and yet was taken into account in full when he app;lied for DHP, and so he was trefused
    Originally posted by nannytone


    Given that DHP is temporary payment should it not then be given to people who are in temporary in need ... ie the 20 year old in the 1 bed.


    This is where the postcode lottery comes into effect though all councils should be doing as housing benefit officer is doing as its seems the fairest.
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    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 25th Jun 14, 10:03 PM
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    What I spend my disability money on is neither here nor there but I do know I am not and have never been before or after my pip award been living on 57.35.
    Originally posted by Confuseddot
    So, why does it matter what I spend my DLA on?

    Given that DHP is temporary payment should it not then be given to people who are in temporary in need ... ie the 20 year old in the 1 bed.
    But the 20 year old has the option to move to a shared house. The disabled person may be living in an adapted house.
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    • Confuseddot
    • By Confuseddot 25th Jun 14, 10:13 PM
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    So, why does it matter what I spend my DLA on?



    But the 20 year old has the option to move to a shared house. The disabled person may be living in an adapted house.
    Originally posted by Indie Kid
    Because you were saying that all people who get dla will get less than a 20 year old on JSA living at home, given you are similar age and living at home I thought it would be a useful comparison.


    I suppose it depends the 20 year may already be in shared house but the rent greater than the LHA rate.
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