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    • MSE Archna
    • By MSE Archna 21st Jan 14, 12:27 PM
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    Cheap Heating Oil guide discussion
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    • 21st Jan 14, 12:27 PM
    Cheap Heating Oil guide discussion 21st Jan 14 at 12:27 PM

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  • Brack-29
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 8:32 AM
    Oil Bolier Grants?
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 8:32 AM
    I appreciate that (finally) there's some recognition that many people in the UK are on oil-fired boilers. And I'm sure that some could possibly save a bit of money by buying their oil in a more sensible way.

    However, I'd like to suggest that there should also be some kind of push for equality where boiler grant schemes are concerned.

    I live in an area where there's no option of connecting to a mains gas supply, we have 3 small children of infant school age, we've been qualifying for Working Tax Credits for the last couple of years, and our boiler is over 20 years old. Despite all this we still don't qualify for any boiler replacement grant scheme – simply because we have an oil-fuelled boiler. Surely this can't be right?

    I've lost count of the number of times I've looked in vain on the internet in the hope that the rules might have changed. But unfortunately the plain fact is that owners of oil boilers have always been left out in the cold.

    Bearing all of this in mind, does anyone know how to start up a petition to get this situation rectified (hopefully before next Winter)?
    Last edited by Brack-29; 22-01-2014 at 8:34 AM.
    • MSE Archna
    • By MSE Archna 22nd Jan 14, 10:08 AM
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 10:08 AM
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 10:08 AM
    Hi Brack

    Have you looked at the Green Deal (where you pay for measures from the savings they give on your energy bill)? It's worth having a look, some types of oil boilers are included.

    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/green-deal
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  • Brack-29
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 10:41 AM
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 10:41 AM
    Hi Archna,

    I've already seen the Green Deal, but thanks for pointing it out anyway.

    A Green Deal loan might be fine in some situations, but when you consider the amount of people in the country who are eligible for a complety free gas boiler it feels like owners of oil boilers are being penalised into getting a loan – which feels morally wrong to me. So I'd personally rather not be complicit by going down that route.

    Apologies if I sound at all self-serving. The reality is that if the government do rectify this current anomaly it'll probably be too late for us anyway. Our children are all in full-time eductaion as of last September so my wife and I are in a better position now to work longer hours so will no longer qualify for working tax credits.

    Ironically, it's the people that most need the help of a grant scheme like this (who have young children) who have the least time on their hands to rectify the current situation. So it's for them that I raised my point.

    If anyone knows how to go about convincing the government to include oil boilers within the current grant scheme then I'd be very interested, as I've no idea how to go about it.

    Perhaps lobby my local MP?
    • neilporter69
    • By neilporter69 22nd Jan 14, 4:42 PM
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 4:42 PM
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 4:42 PM
    Through making my heating more efficient and the luck of the weather I've managed to shift the times in the year when I need to order oil. It used to be early December and mid March but is now mid January and May. For some reason oil is more expensive in December and drops after Christmas. Maybe people are all spent out after Christmas.

    I always haggle on price and call back earlier quotes giving them the opportunity to beat the price. Some companies give their best price first time and say don't bother calling back if you can beat it which is fair enough.

    Sometimes a preferred supplier will match the price but let me pay by credit card instead and waive the surcharge. This last time I got a quote from Boiler Juice mid way through my ringing round and I ended up placing my order with a local supplier who matched the price but also offered delivery within a week rather than the 2 weeks that Boiler Juice offered. So sometimes, when the lowest price has been reached there are other incentives that you can still get.

    My last tip is with budgeting. I know roughly how much my oil is per year and I put 1/12th of that away each month so that I can afford the bill when it comes along.
    Last edited by neilporter69; 22-01-2014 at 4:57 PM. Reason: Spelling mistake
    • ukoilman
    • By ukoilman 22nd Jan 14, 8:37 PM
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 8:37 PM
    Corrections
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    • 22nd Jan 14, 8:37 PM
    Correction. [Text removed by MSE Forum Team] does not cover NI or the Channel Islands. We do not consider ourselves a broker because we do not receive commissions from suppliers nor do we charge consumers.

    Other sites listed do charge commissions of up to 5ppl on top of an approximate minimum suppliers margin of 4ppl above wholesale price.

    We like to be considered as a complimentary lead provider to suppliers that are chosen by the customer.
    Last edited by Former MSE Zorica; 31-01-2014 at 3:03 PM.
  • dmandmsmith
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    • 23rd Jan 14, 8:15 AM
    Oil Tank Security
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    • 23rd Jan 14, 8:15 AM
    Hi,
    First of all - great new guide - long overdue advice, support and information for the 1.5 million of householders in the UK who don't have access to mains gas.
    Re oil tank security - whilst I have tried to screen my oil tank from view, and fitted a fairly elaborate oil tank lock to my plastic tank, I am under no illusion that locks on a plastic tank are little deterrent to a determined thief. I understand that they simply melt a hole thro the tank with a hot metal rod, then pump the oil into their get-away vehicle tank. This often results in a great deal of spillage and expensive clean-up costs that may or may not be covered by insurance.
    I am seriously considering changing my ageing plastic tank (nearing it's recommended working life in any case) with a much more secure metal one - try drilling a hole thro that without arousing suspicions! OK - there is a potential increase in maintenance wrt painting, but there are ones out there that are factory coated in 2 part epoxy paint that shouldn't need any repainting for years to come.
  • lwarrine
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    • 23rd Jan 14, 11:18 AM
    Another comparison site worth checking ...
    • #8
    • 23rd Jan 14, 11:18 AM
    another site worth checking .....
    heatingoil*co*uk

    (Sorry it won't let me post web addresses! ... so replace the '*' with a '.')

    Can be cheaper than boilerjuice.
    Just been quoted 283.87 for 500 litres by boilerjuice & 281.72 by heatingoil
    • Tis
    • By Tis 26th Jan 14, 6:56 AM
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    • 26th Jan 14, 6:56 AM
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    • 26th Jan 14, 6:56 AM
    I use bungaybuyers.co.uk who are a group within http://mybuyinggroup.co.uk. I find them cheaper by a penny or two a litre than Boilerjuice.
    In our area (Norfolk/Suffolk) the order is on the first Monday each month and the price will be known on Tuesday. If you choose not to go ahead you can cancel the order at this time. They say delivery may be up to 10 days but I have always received mine in three days or less.
    • ukoilman
    • By ukoilman 6th Feb 14, 5:07 PM
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    It is not often that I will defend a competitor but the facts are:- at one time Boilerjuice*com was owned by the DCC/ GB Oils group now known as the Certas Group.


    Heatingoil*.co.uk is owned by the Certas Group (formerly DCC/GB Oils) and is their replacement site for boilerjuice*.com and fueloidirect*co*uk

    However, boilerjuice*.com was sold back to the original owner some time ago about November 2012. That being said it does trade independently from the Certas group, there is no financial tie up.

    Check companies House and the web for history.

    Having said that, we believe , heatingoilshop*com, that to survive after being sold back to the original owner some trading links still exist. After all, boilerjuice*com is a commissioned based site as is heatingoil*co*uk .

    For a truly independent site that has more suppliers to offer than any of the other competitors, heatingoilshop*com fits the bill perfectly.
    We do not charge anybody. This is a truly free service.




    David J Brown
    heatingoilshop*com
  • Oil man 77
    New heating Oil supplier for Lincolnshire, Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire
    The same as many other people on here I have for some time now had to resort to using internet based sites such as Boilerjuice and the like to obtain the best price for heating oil.

    The other day while having a new oil tank fitted the engineer passed me a flyer on a Local company called Woldlink (Louth Lincolnshire) and told me to give them a call as they were cheaper than Boiler Juice and standard delivery was only a couple of days.

    It turned out they were over 2ppl cheaper and the fuel was delivered with in two days!!

    Woldlink is part of a company called Woldmarsh which is the largest Agricultural buying co-operative in Lincolnshire and its this buying power that gives them their competitive price (So the blurb says).

    When placing my order they said there will be slightly cheaper in the summer but come winter I should really see a difference in price. claimed as much as 5ppl would be suprised but will continue to update.

    If you live Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire might be worth giving them a call. Contact Number is 01507 605230
    • Ebe Scrooge
    • By Ebe Scrooge 23rd Jun 14, 1:07 PM
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    BoilerJuice is handy to get a benchmark price, but you'll almost always get cheaper by phoning around local companies. There's always room for haggling as well - the one and only time that BJ gave me the cheapest quote, one of the local companies then beat it when I told them. The conversation usually goes something like :

    Them : "Our price today is 58 ppl"
    Me : "OK, thanks, I've already had a cheaper quoute than that"
    Them : "Who was it it, and how much ?"
    Me : "Bloggs & Co. offered me 57 ppl"
    Them : "OK, we'll give you 56.5 ppl"
    Me : "Ta very much" :-)
    • borkid
    • By borkid 23rd Jun 14, 1:19 PM
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    I usually buy via "the oil club", just search in google. You are linked to the nearest oil club in your area and they email every month with the latest price. The last time I bought I had a flyer from a local company with a discount so rang local company and they were prepared to undercut the oil club and give me the discount. Wished I'd waited though as now the price has dropped to under 50pl !
    • gamston
    • By gamston 25th Jun 14, 5:33 AM
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    had to fill my tank last week, had to pay 51ppl
    phoned round as normal, found that Butler fuels would give me that price, rest all higher
    next time I'll try woldlink, as earlier post (live on Notts/Lincoln area
    • justwilliam46
    • By justwilliam46 27th Jun 14, 6:15 PM
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    I usually buy via "the oil club", just search in google. You are linked to the nearest oil club in your area and they email every month with the latest price. The last time I bought I had a flyer from a local company with a discount so rang local company and they were prepared to undercut the oil club and give me the discount. Wished I'd waited though as now the price has dropped to under 50pl !
    Originally posted by borkid
    I've started using my local "the oil club" and saved 22 on 500 litres over Boilerjuice last time.
  • HelenN1970
    Not the first
    With regards to the article about Craggs Energy I just wanted to say that I work for a fuel company in Worcestershire who supply heating oil in a 30 mile radius from our three depots. We have, for the last 4 years, offered our customers a Capped price which is obviously far better than fixed as if the spot price falls below the Capped price then the customer never loses out. I just wanted to point this out as the article seemed to suggest that nothing like the Craggs Energy deal had been offered before to oil users.
    • Smiley Dan
    • By Smiley Dan 30th Jul 14, 10:13 AM
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    Interestingly, just recently I've found Boilerjuice cheaper than ringing around, a reversal of previous experience.

    49.9p, ordered yesterday for 900l, East Midlands.
  • oopwee
    Heating Oil Buying Groups
    I find the best way is to set up a heating oil buying group. I don't think there is much point in trucks coming to you and your neighbours when you can bulk buy together. This helps save a bit of money not a great deal but any saving is better than none.

    I have used boilerjuice in the past for prices but they never seem to be the cheapest out their usually local heating companies will be the cheapest.

    I personally contact our local heating oil company after speaking with a few of my neighbours and found a great deal from crown oil who are based in Bury.

    I would recommend giving them a try if you are in or around the Manchester / Bury area:
    • Juliandicks
    • By Juliandicks 29th Sep 14, 4:02 PM
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    Woldlink Cheaper than my Buying Group
    This is the second time I have used Woldlink now and again they were the cheapest for my area (North Thoresby Lincolnshire) this time it was a Butlers lorry that turned up last time it was Watsons. They seem to act as a superbuying group and quote one price what ever the quantity ordered. Deffo worth a try if you are looking for heating oil in Lincolnshire.

    Quick delivery as well standard lead time of only 3 days. Contact number is 01507 605230. Paid 46.99ppl on 500L on the 24th of September
    • iris
    • By iris 30th Sep 14, 8:29 AM
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    This is the second time I have used Woldlink now and again they were the cheapest for my area (North Thoresby Lincolnshire) this time it was a Butlers lorry that turned up last time it was Watsons. They seem to act as a superbuying group and quote one price what ever the quantity ordered. Deffo worth a try if you are looking for heating oil in Lincolnshire.

    Quick delivery as well standard lead time of only 3 days. Contact number is 01507 605230. Paid 46.99ppl on 500L on the 24th of September
    Originally posted by Juliandicks


    I have had a look at their web site, but they appear to supply agricultural company premises only.


    Are you a residential oil user? The price you quoted is very competitive.
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