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    • Former MSE Helen
    • By Former MSE Helen 29th Apr 13, 10:28 AM
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    MSE News: Universal credit trial begins today
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    • 29th Apr 13, 10:28 AM
    MSE News: Universal credit trial begins today 29th Apr 13 at 10:28 AM
    "Universal credit, which replaces job seeker's allowance and other tax credits will be launched in four areas today..."

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    • sammyjammy
    • By sammyjammy 29th Apr 13, 10:41 AM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 10:41 AM
    Its not a trial its a Pathfinder. Trial implies it will be stopped if it doesn't work and it's only for claims in one area, not four.
    "You've been reading SOS when it's just your clock reading 5:05 "
    • Thomas The Tank Top
    • By Thomas The Tank Top 29th Apr 13, 11:59 AM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 11:59 AM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 11:59 AM
    Lets hope the wrinkles are ironed out early. The sooner this is rolled out, the better.
  • weeta_bix
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    • 29th Apr 13, 12:05 PM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 12:05 PM
    Short article! Doesn't really tell a lot.

    I hear that something called a 'mandatory reconsideration' is coming in today, where there is another stage of the process before you can appeal a DWP decision, as well as this pathfinder.

    Has anyone heard anything about that? Have been wondering how far along it is and if it is national..
  • clemmatis
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    • 29th Apr 13, 12:19 PM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 12:19 PM
    Yes, one area only. And very simple claims only.
    • missapril75
    • By missapril75 29th Apr 13, 12:40 PM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 12:40 PM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 12:40 PM
    Good to see a discussion topic about social security in the social security section of the forum rather than lost in DT.

    Since it's here, I'll post a link to a news report about those nasty, uncaring, job centre staff protesting about benefit cuts.
    • john539
    • By john539 29th Apr 13, 12:54 PM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 12:54 PM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 12:54 PM
    And here is clueless deluded IDS spouting rubbish.

    Universal credit: Major benefits shake-up begins
  • Morlock
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    • 29th Apr 13, 1:19 PM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 1:19 PM
    And here is clueless deluded IDS spouting rubbish.

    Universal credit: Major benefits shake-up begins
    Originally posted by john539
    In which IDS claims Universal Jobmatch is successful because of "6 million hits a day", without any mention that users are coerced into using it under threat of sanction. He's so predictable.
    • rogerblack
    • By rogerblack 29th Apr 13, 1:28 PM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 1:28 PM
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    • 29th Apr 13, 1:28 PM
    Mandatory reconsideration' is coming in today, where there is another stage of the process before you can appeal a DWP decision, as well as this pathfinder.
    Originally posted by weeta_bix
    Mandatory reconsideration is in force at the moment only for PIP claimants, and UC claimants - not ESA/JSA/...

    Mandatory reconsideration doesn't much affect PIP or JSA - as neither of those will be paid during a reconsideration at the moment.
    Come October - when it is brought in for ESA too - it will be considerably more important there may be a significant period of time between the application for reconsideration and it being granted, during which time the claimant is not paid, and may have to claim JSA - for which they may not qualify due to health.
    • fredandwilma
    • By fredandwilma 29th Apr 13, 1:39 PM
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    "Universal credit, which replaces job seeker's allowance and other tax credits will be launched in four areas today.
    Originally posted by MSE Helen

    Not strictly true. The job centre in Ashton-under-Lyne is the first to launch the Pilot Scheme for Universal Credit, today. Three more job centres in the North West - Oldham, Wigan and Warrington were to join Ashton, but the launch date has been postponed until July. Apparently the IT systems are nowhere near ready for any launch, and the Universal Credit Scheme is on the verge of disaster. Don't believe everything you read?




    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=pilot%20schemes%20for%20universal %20credit%20in%20ashton%2C%20warrington&source=new ssearch&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQqQIoADAA&url=h ttp%3A%2F%2Fmancunianmatters.co.uk%2Fcontent%2F290 410218-crackpot%25E2%2580%2599-universal-credit-scheme-slammed-trade-union-leader-ashton-under-lyne-lau&ei=7Wd-UeSNIZC20QWtkYDICA&usg=AFQjCNENes9KBg8gDFZSSiRYqq8 ldC1piw




    Unable to post link to FT, article here -



    ft.com > UK >
    Politics & Policy



    Last updated: April 28, 2013 7:51 pm
    Revolution comes to town with universal credit pilot

    By Sarah Neville, Public Policy Editor


    A market town on the edge of the Pennine hills will on Monday be the focus for the government’s welfare revolution, when a job centre in Ashton-under-Lyne becomes the first to implement universal credit.
    Iain Duncan Smith, work and pensions secretary, believes the scheme to roll six benefits into a single payment will spur people back into employment and has made its implementation a personal mission.

    Reducing the rate at which benefits are withdrawn when people find a job, so making it worthwhile to work for even a few hours, will make it easier for people to move into the labour market, Mr Duncan Smith believes.


    But as the process begins, there is evidence that the original timetable for implementation has been revised, and it is thought that officials are still making changes to the technology that will underpin the scheme. Philip Langsdale, information chief at the Department for Work and Pensions, who had been leading the programme, died just before Christmas and the past 18 months have seen other significant personnel changes.
    Perhaps the most challenging task, a computer link between HM Revenue and Customs and the DWP, is designed to ensure that changes in claimants’ circumstances are logged immediately, but it will be only partially tested in the Ashton “pathfinder”. Although local businesses have been pushed to move to this “real-time information” model, not all have done so and data will still need to be processed manually, officials have said.
    In the original plan for the pilot, three other northern towns were to have joined Ashton in the vanguard. Yet, in an announcement made just before the Easter weekend, it emerged that the launch date for these three would be postponed until July.
    Ministers and Whitehall officials alike emphasise the government’s determination to ensure no risks are taken. The scheme will be introduced in “a slow, controlled and safe manner”, Lord Freud, welfare reform minister, said on Sunday.
    Yet, at one stage, a more ambitious approach appears to have been envisaged.
    In November 2011, Mr Duncan Smith said 1m claimants were expected to be receiving universal credit by the end of April 2014.
    However, the October national rollout will now start with a single job centre or a “cluster” of them in each region. In a letter to local authority chief executives in December 2012, seen by the Financial Times, Hilary Reynolds, who had just been appointed programme director for universal credit but moved on after four months in the role, stated: “For the majority of local authorities the impact of [universal credit] during the financial year 2013-14 will be limited.”
    In March, in answer to a parliamentary question, Mark Hoban, employment minister, said everyone would be claiming the benefit by 2017.
    Liam Byrne, shadow work and pensions secretary, said on Sunday that given “the delays to its introduction”, evidence suggested this timetable was “no longer plausible”.
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    • rogerblack
    • By rogerblack 29th Apr 13, 2:05 PM
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    Today, the full guidance for decisionmakers on Universal Credit was published.

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-guides/advice-for-decision-making/#uc
    • john539
    • By john539 29th Apr 13, 3:40 PM
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    The truth behind the myths & lies

    Universal credit 'will destroy people'
    • john539
    • By john539 29th Apr 13, 4:03 PM
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    In which IDS claims Universal Jobmatch is successful because of "6 million hits a day", without any mention that users are coerced into using it under threat of sanction. He's so predictable.
    Originally posted by Morlock
    He's a clueless idiot.

    He says Universal Jobmatch website is a revolution.

    He thinks creating a junk website, full of spam jobs & creating a torrent of junk mouse clicking internet activity helps people.
  • weeta_bix
    Mandatory reconsideration is in force at the moment only for PIP claimants, and UC claimants - not ESA/JSA/...

    Mandatory reconsideration doesn't much affect PIP or JSA - as neither of those will be paid during a reconsideration at the moment.
    Come October - when it is brought in for ESA too - it will be considerably more important there may be a significant period of time between the application for reconsideration and it being granted, during which time the claimant is not paid, and may have to claim JSA - for which they may not qualify due to health.
    Originally posted by rogerblack
    Thanks very much for explaining the difference, that will save some worry here for now.
  • bigboybrother
    Lets hope the wrinkles are ironed out early. The sooner this is rolled out, the better.
    Originally posted by Thomas The Tank Top

    I agree it will certainly make a start at removing benefits from the so called 'self employed' that run an Avon round or dabble on EBay every now and again and swear black is blue that it is a full time business!
  • hanlou007
    Just remove all universal credits and have done with it..........

    Fed up of hearing about all these people worse off because of a bad back , stress , depression. All injuries/illnesses that no-one can prove wrong.
    Just like the old whiplash in a car accident at 1mph.....absolutely pathetic.
    Its about time we targeted the people who don't , wont work and give all their benefits to people who are working hard and continue to do so..
    • rogerblack
    • By rogerblack 2nd May 13, 1:10 PM
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    Its about time we targeted the people who don't , wont work and give all their benefits to people who are working hard and continue to do so..
    Originally posted by hanlou007
    Fraud on out of work benefits is very low.
    On DLA - for example - as you mention 'bad back' - it's around half a percent.
    This is dwarfed by the numbers who could claim as they are entitled, but do not, and is about the same as the amount of people granted DLA through DWP error.
  • Morlock
    Just remove all universal credits and have done with it..........

    Its about time we targeted the people who don't , wont work and give all their benefits to people who are working hard and continue to do so..
    Originally posted by hanlou007
    But Universal Credit is also for working claimants whose wages do not cover the cost of living. The cost of rent, food and utilities is so high that even (two adults) working full-time on minimum wage is not enough to sustain a family.

    If Universal Credit is abolished, ordinary people will be pushed further in to poverty, unless prices and profit margins of companies are reduced or minimum wage is raised, which isn't going to happen. Universal Credit is needed to sustain the huge profit margins of large corporations.
    • john539
    • By john539 2nd May 13, 1:27 PM
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    Just remove all universal credits and have done with it..........

    Fed up of hearing about all these people worse off because of a bad back , stress , depression. All injuries/illnesses that no-one can prove wrong.
    Just like the old whiplash in a car accident at 1mph.....absolutely pathetic.
    Its about time we targeted the people who don't , wont work and give all their benefits to people who are working hard and continue to do so..
    Originally posted by hanlou007
    And we'll dump all the problems on you.

    Fed up listening to naive clueless idiots brainwashed by Tory divide & rule propaganda.
    • speedfreek1000
    • By speedfreek1000 2nd May 13, 3:51 PM
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    Has nobody spotted this gem on the UC online claim portals' 1st page?

    https://www.gov.uk/apply-universal-credit

    If youíre successful, youíll usually get your first payment 1 month and 7 days after youíve made your claim.
    Potentially you will have to cover 2 rental payments plus bills and food!

    So..... WONGA will do well out of this
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