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    Real-life MMD: Should I stop using my ex-housemate's Netflix account?
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    • 20th Mar 13, 4:13 PM
    Real-life MMD: Should I stop using my ex-housemate's Netflix account? 20th Mar 13 at 4:13 PM
    Money Moral Dilemma: Should I stop using my ex-housemate's Netflix account?

    My housemate used to watch films via his Netflix account using my Xbox, without asking. It was annoying, but I didn’t say anything and he has since moved out. However, when I went to use my Xbox again after he’d left, he was still logged in. I’ll admit I’ve watched a few films on his account, but as it’s obviously not affecting him in any way and as he used my Xbox for it, I don’t feel it’s totally wrong. Should I carry on using it?


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    • benedictadams
    • By benedictadams 26th Mar 13, 9:33 PM
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    • 26th Mar 13, 9:33 PM
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    • 26th Mar 13, 9:33 PM
    Sorry, well not actually sorry, but in answer to your question, yes stop watching movies on his account. The next bit would be difficult to say to him without leaving yourself open to him knowing you had been watching stuff on his account but if he leaves his netflix account logged on there is a strong chance that he will also be leaving other stuff logged on which could leave him seriously out of pocket. It is his responsibility at the end of the day to be safe online but if you found he had been ripped off how would you feel?
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    • samhale
    • By samhale 26th Mar 13, 10:50 PM
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    • 26th Mar 13, 10:50 PM
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    • 26th Mar 13, 10:50 PM
    Watch his Netflix for as long as he's paying for it - if he doesn't want you to use it, he can deactivate the device from his account on there.
    It isn't costing him any more.
  • Lagoon
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    • 26th Mar 13, 10:54 PM
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    • 26th Mar 13, 10:54 PM
    Sorry, well not actually sorry, but in answer to your question, yes stop watching movies on his account. The next bit would be difficult to say to him without leaving yourself open to him knowing you had been watching stuff on his account but if he leaves his netflix account logged on there is a strong chance that he will also be leaving other stuff logged on which could leave him seriously out of pocket. It is his responsibility at the end of the day to be safe online but if you found he had been ripped off how would you feel?
    Originally posted by benedictadams
    If he still uses Netflix himself, then he'll already know or will soon find out.

    Netflix shows you a list of your 'recently watched' items, and makes suggestions for new things to watch based on your viewing habits.

    It'll be very clear to him that someone's been using his account, when shows he's not watched are showing as the most recently viewed. Hopefully, that'll make him change his password.
  • milvusvestal
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    • 27th Mar 13, 8:33 AM
    Xbox
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    • 27th Mar 13, 8:33 AM
    Assuming this is a serious question, I can't really see what the problem is.

    Your housemate used your Xbox without your permission. He's left, and hasn't bothered to close his account or even look at the statements he's getting regularly.

    The responsibility for telling suppliers he's moved was his, not yours. In your shoes, I'd take advantage of his carelessness and watch what you want at his expense. Then, when and if he finds out, you can have the pleasure of telling him that was fair exchange for the use of your box.
  • morepunk
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    • 27th Mar 13, 8:41 AM
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    • 27th Mar 13, 8:41 AM
    I was on the opposite end of this scenario: I traded in my Nintendo Wii to Game, forgetting to wipe my data, and left Netflix logged in.

    I didn't use Netflix too much at the time, so when I turned on Netflix one day to see my Recently Viewed Items included Thomas and Friends and other kids TV shows, I was perplexed! I'm a 27 year old man with no kids. I did momentarily suspect my other half may have been watching cartoons behind my back (I mean, she could at least involve me, surely?) but instead I called Netflix to get to the bottom of it.

    The guy at Netflix customer services, in his friendly American manner, was so incredibly troubled to hear my account had been used by someone outside of my household, but suggested that he deactivate all devices from my Netflix account to stop this mystery person from logging in. He also mentioned that the majority of my recent viewing history came from a Nintendo Wii. Ah, that'll be the console that I traded in.

    Anyway, it didn't affect me in any way other than to cause a little confusion, but he will know that you're using his account and he can remotely deactivate you by calling Netflix if he so desires.

    It's up to you whether you carry on using the service, but I can't imagine there'll be any real repercussions if you do so!

    It may be worth noting that I now feel slightly guilty for depriving the new owner of my Nintendo Wii, and indeed their children, the use of my Netflix account. It wasn't causing me any harm!!
  • verdaddy
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    • 27th Mar 13, 8:49 AM
    Free, free, movies!
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    • 27th Mar 13, 8:49 AM
    watching free, instant, streamed films is fine I would say, who could be upset with that? if netflix is like lovefilm, then ordering dvds or other things, which would be charged to the account a definite no way - 2 wrongs don't make a right etc!
  • bionda
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    • 27th Mar 13, 8:53 AM
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    • 27th Mar 13, 8:53 AM
    Two wrongs don't make a right. You obviously feel guilty or you wouldn't have brought this up. Every time you watch a film, you will feel something......better make a clean break! You will feel better and you will stop being reminded of your ex-flat mates annoying habit.
    Good luck!
    • pennypinchUK
    • By pennypinchUK 27th Mar 13, 9:04 AM
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    • 27th Mar 13, 9:04 AM
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    • 27th Mar 13, 9:04 AM
    A pretty weak "Money Moral Dilemma" this week, Martin.

    Presumably, he'll cancel the subscription, or transfer it, at some stage. Watch away. Not a big deal.
    • PeteW
    • By PeteW 27th Mar 13, 9:40 AM
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    He'll find out, so why not just ask him first?
  • sultryabyss
    He probably knows, on Netflix one of the first things that come up are 'recently watched' - and he will see this too.

    If you've been doing it for quite a while I would stop now, it's not very fair.
    • Fluff15
    • By Fluff15 27th Mar 13, 10:13 AM
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    It doesn't cost him any more if you're using it - he can easily see if you have been and if it bothers him so much he'll deactivate it remotely from your device so you can no longer watch things on his account. I'd carry on using it, but if you're really bothered log out yourself and sign up for a free trial.
    • tain
    • By tain 27th Mar 13, 10:14 AM
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    I can't really think of an instance where someone wouldn't use the account.

    Are there any people who feel so morally conscious that they wouldn't want to use someone else's Netflix account because it may breach the Netflix T&C?
    • TypeR
    • By TypeR 27th Mar 13, 10:21 AM
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    I am a netflix subscriber.

    Basically the account holder pays 6 a month and thats it - there are no extras and you can't run up a bill in anyway.

    If he's failed to log his account out thats his look out - but no 'damage' can be done by using his account, there are no further charges and if he cancels his subscription or changes the password then it's game over - good whilst it lasted.

    Nothing really to see here, in my opinion.
    • elizabethhull
    • By elizabethhull 27th Mar 13, 10:35 AM
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    Hazy moral ground
    The way we generally assess (non-religious) morality is to gauge its effect on others. Are you actually hurting/depriving someone, with or without their knowledge ?
    It seems to be the case here that although you are enjoying a benefit, it is not actually at the expense (monetary or otherwise) of anyone else. They do not incur extra fees, they can see what you are doing, and they have the option to terminate your access any time.
    Perhaps he has decided to let you enjoy the films for a while as a thank-you for the X-box facility !
    • Showem
    • By Showem 27th Mar 13, 11:05 AM
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    Not sure why using your Xbox to watch films was so annoying to you. Did you want to use the console at the same time? Or was it just that your housemate used it and it was yours. (Big toddler pout) If it's the first, you should have spoken up. If it's the second, it's time to grow up. It didn't cost you anything for him to use it.

    As others have said, it doesn't cost your ex-housemate anything for you to use it, but simply spite and revenge are pretty poor reasons to use it.
    • kevanf1
    • By kevanf1 27th Mar 13, 11:13 AM
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    I think you should stop right away! What you are doing is committing fraud. You know it is wrong yet you carry on doing it. Yes, your ex-flatmate was wrong to use your equipment without your permission but that has now stopped.

    Ultimately it could be that you end up in court
    Kevan - a disabled old so and so who, despite being in pain 24/7 still manages to smile as much as possible
  • Valor
    It may be "victimless" but it's still fraud / theft as far as I can see. I'm surprised that so many don't have a problem with casual crime.
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    • Jennifer_Jane
    • By Jennifer_Jane 27th Mar 13, 11:31 AM
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    The right thing to do is to e-mail him and let him know his subscription is still going on. Until he then cancels, I would use it providing there's no cost to him.
    • Talent
    • By Talent 27th Mar 13, 12:37 PM
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    Just keep watching.... don't worry! It's not actually costing him anything is it? Perhaps these 'holier than thou' spouting off on here about fraud and theft don't realise that!
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