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    • Former MSE Helen
    • By Former MSE Helen 5th Feb 13, 9:19 AM
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    MSE News: Household water bills to rise 3.5%
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    • 5th Feb 13, 9:19 AM
    MSE News: Household water bills to rise 3.5% 5th Feb 13 at 9:19 AM
    "Average household water and sewerage bills in England and Wales will increase by 3.5% over the next year..."

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  • cornishphil
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    • 5th Feb 13, 9:58 AM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 9:58 AM
    I'm not convinced by the average £499 figure for the South West. Here in sunny Cornwall we pay not far short of £1000 for a Band C property, unmetered.A £50 annual subsidy from the Government is hardly going to be a vote winner!
    • Caddyman
    • By Caddyman 5th Feb 13, 10:54 AM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 10:54 AM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 10:54 AM
    I'm actually really pleased we're on a water meter. There's only me and the Wife and our annual water charge (billed every six months) is just £260 per year. We're in the East Midlands and our supply is from Severn Trent.

    I'm convinced that in certain situations, it would work out much cheaper for those not on a water meter, to have one installed. I believe the water companies will install a water meter free of charge?
  • Atidi
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    • 5th Feb 13, 11:31 AM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 11:31 AM
      • Thames Water bills will rise 5.5%, with the average bill increasing to £354.
      • Southern Water bills will rise 5.3%, with an average bill of £449.
      • Wessex Water bills will rise 4.9%, with an average bill of £478.
      • United Utilities bills will rise 3.4%, with an average bill of £406.
    I think I heard both Essex & Anglia water authorities planned about 2.8%-3.0% increases

    I'm not sure which I prefer, a supplier that is going to wallop me with a massive 5.5% increase but only charge me £354 p.a. or a supplier that is only going to charge me 3.4% increase but sting me for over £400
    I think I would prefer the supplier that will want the 5.5% increase

    If only we had a choice like we do with gas & electric
    Last edited by Atidi; 05-02-2013 at 11:37 AM.
  • pka
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    • 5th Feb 13, 11:33 AM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 11:33 AM
    I'm not convinced by the average £499 figure for the South West. Here in sunny Cornwall we pay not far short of £1000 for a Band C property, unmetered.A £50 annual subsidy from the Government is hardly going to be a vote winner!
    Originally posted by cornishphil
    Me neither. We live Devon and standing charge for our house is about £800, we had a meter installed and its now about £650. I'd love to know where the £499 figure comes from. At least the government is finally subsidising our rates (albeit by a meagre amount).
    • Butterfly Brain
    • By Butterfly Brain 5th Feb 13, 1:22 PM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 1:22 PM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 1:22 PM
    They actually wanted a 10% increase and we all know that it would find its way into the fat cat and shareholders pockets offshore somewhere and they get away with tax evasion by the billions.
    We live in Bedfordshire and pay £540 pa on a band C property, these companies really are taking the p*ss.
    It is time that all utilities were nationalised at least the profits would go into the public purse and go some way into paying off the public debt.
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 5th Feb 13, 2:20 PM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 2:20 PM
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    I'm not convinced by the average £499 figure for the South West. Here in sunny Cornwall we pay not far short of £1000 for a Band C property, unmetered.A £50 annual subsidy from the Government is hardly going to be a vote winner!
    Originally posted by cornishphil
    Two people in a metered property with average consumption for UK(55 cubic metres each) will pay £658 at 2012/13 rates.

    Water + Sewerage is £5.26/cubic metre + £80 standing charges.

    I can only think that the low figure of £499 is because there must be a lot of rural properties without mains sewers.

    Also a lot of older rural properties can have very low Rateable values.
    • Caddyman
    • By Caddyman 5th Feb 13, 2:53 PM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 2:53 PM
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    Two people in a metered property with average consumption for UK(55 cubic metres each) will pay £658 at 2012/13 rates.

    Water + Sewerage is £5.26/cubic metre + £80 standing charges.

    I can only think that the low figure of £499 is because there must be a lot of rural properties without mains sewers.

    Also a lot of older rural properties can have very low Rateable values.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    This is clearly dependent on several other factors, including what part of the country you live in, the Company supplying the water and the Council Tax band of your property. I think personally based on your figures, my Wife and I are lucky. We live in a ten year old house that is in Band B in the middle of England, hence the low figure of £260 odd a year (average) we pay (on a water meter).

    For information, we used 59 cubic metres of water last year. On the figures you quoted in your post, the water rates you quote must mean the supplying company have utterly horrendous water supply and standing charges. The last bill I paid in December 2012 for the preceding six months for actual water used including all charges, was £124.96. The bill before that one was £125.55. Personally, I'm all for water meters anyway, they seriously make you realise just how much water you use. Probably not very family friendly for those that just like to run the tap though!
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 5th Feb 13, 3:48 PM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 3:48 PM
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    • 5th Feb 13, 3:48 PM
    This is clearly dependent on several other factors, including what part of the country you live in, the Company supplying the water and the Council Tax band of your property. I think personally based on your figures, my Wife and I are lucky. We live in a ten year old house that is in Band B in the middle of England, hence the low figure of £260 odd a year (average) we pay (on a water meter).

    For information, we used 59 cubic metres of water last year. On the figures you quoted in your post, the water rates you quote must mean the supplying company have utterly horrendous water supply and standing charges. The last bill I paid in December 2012 for the preceding six months for actual water used including all charges, was £124.96. The bill before that one was £125.55. Personally, I'm all for water meters anyway, they seriously make you realise just how much water you use. Probably not very family friendly for those that just like to run the tap though!
    Originally posted by Caddyman
    I quoted the post I was replying to, so I was very clearly talking about South West Water - who have by far the most expensive water charges in UK. - which is why the Government is giving everyone a token subsidy of £50.

    Water charges in other parts of the country can be a third of those charged in South West Water.

    If you are unmetered, your charges are nothing to do with Council Tax banding. Charges are based on the property's Rateable Value(RV).

    RV(termed 'The Rates') was method of charging 'local taxes' prior to 1990 when it was succeded by 'The Poll Tax' and then Council Tax.

    RV was nothing to do with the value of the property, but based on the notional rent the property could command, and in many cases in England and Wales properties were last assessed in 1973. It depended on many factors including state of modernisation(by 1973 standards). So in extreme cases it is possible to get a Band H mansion with a lower RV than a Band A estate semi.
  • adamc260
    What is the reason for the increase I wonder... We're not exactly short of water, we're surrounded by the stuff! I hate when companies spin the 'Increased costs' line for EVERYTHING.
  • pka
    Two people in a metered property with average consumption for UK(55 cubic metres each) will pay £658 at 2012/13 rates.

    Water + Sewerage is £5.26/cubic metre + £80 standing charges.

    I can only think that the low figure of £499 is because there must be a lot of rural properties without mains sewers.

    Also a lot of older rural properties can have very low Rateable values.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Spot on, that is near as dammit what our water bill is. Two people in a metered property. Oh the price we have to pay for living in a beautiful part of the country.......
    • always skint
    • By always skint 6th Feb 13, 2:35 PM
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    There sure is a lot of high bills in this thread.

    I'm with Severn Trent, Band A 3 bed semi, 4 adults and an annual bill of £ 246.57

    Install a water meter and double my bill ?....Nah not on your nelly.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 6th Feb 13, 3:55 PM
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    There sure is a lot of high bills in this thread.

    I'm with Severn Trent, Band A 3 bed semi, 4 adults and an annual bill of £ 246.57

    Install a water meter and double my bill ?....Nah not on your nelly.
    Originally posted by always skint
    The Council Tax Band has nothing to do with unmetered charges. Charges are based on the Rateable Value(RV) which was the system for raising 'local taxes' that finished in 1990.

    Also for Severn Trent there are 8 charging zones(areas) with different charges for each zone.
    • always skint
    • By always skint 6th Feb 13, 5:17 PM
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    The Council Tax Band has nothing to do with unmetered charges. Charges are based on the Rateable Value(RV) which was the system for raising 'local taxes' that finished in 1990.

    Also for Severn Trent there are 8 charging zones(areas) with different charges for each zone.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Oh, I see.

    Maybe those with high bills could shop around for a better deal.


    Oh.....Hang on.
    • bluewire
    • By bluewire 6th Feb 13, 7:57 PM
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    Oh, I see.

    Maybe those with high bills could shop around for a better deal.


    Oh.....Hang on.
    Originally posted by always skint

    The majority of the cost in peoples bills comes from how much it costs to collect rain water, clean it, deliver it, take away your !!!!, clean it and put it back in to the enviroment.
    The day that people can shop around you will still be paying for where your water is processed so if you lived in the south west you would still pay south west prices.

    Only the 10% ish of the costs/profits come from the customer service part and so there will be very little changes to peoples bills.
    • Candy53
    • By Candy53 7th Feb 13, 3:12 PM
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    We're with Anglian water, unmetered, and we already pay £449.53 a year, so look's like a steep one for us this year.

    There are 4 adults here, so I thought going on a meter would cost even more, especially as we get our hot water from a tank, and we have to run it quite a while before any hot water comes through.


    Edit: Oh, and that's with discount as our surface water goes into a soakaway.


    Candy
    Last edited by Candy53; 07-02-2013 at 3:25 PM.
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