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    • MSE Martin
    • By MSE Martin 24th Jul 07, 2:06 PM
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    Money Moral Dilemma: Should Gordon pay to have Tony's eggs?
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    • 24th Jul 07, 2:06 PM
    Money Moral Dilemma: Should Gordon pay to have Tony's eggs? 24th Jul 07 at 2:06 PM
    Here's this week's hypothetical situation for you to cogitate on:

    Should Gordon pay to have Tony's eggs?

    Recently retired, Tony has started to keep chickens, allowing them to run free in his back yard. He mostly eats the eggs himself, but sometimes sells them. However, a couple of the chickens have developed a penchant for nipping over the low fence and nesting in his neighbour Gordon’s garden before returning to Tony’s for their feed. Gordon's started eating these yummy, big eggs as they're laid in his garden, but Tony says he should pay for them.

    Should Gordon pay to have Tony's eggs? Click reply to have your say



    Last edited by MSE Martin; 24-07-2007 at 2:12 PM.
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  • V Chic Chick
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    • 24th Jul 07, 2:35 PM
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    • 24th Jul 07, 2:35 PM
    I raise chickens myself, and although I don't free range them (they have a large pen in my garden), I know many people who do.

    Any chicken keeper worth their salt knows that chickens do not see the boundaries of their garden as the same as the boundaries of their range. Chickens running off and laying eggs elsewhere is a perpetual problem, and they are incredibly adept at hiding their nests within their owners own gardens, so much so that I have heard of nests containing forty or more eggs before they are found.

    Given that said chickens are probably having some food to eat whilst they are over there and creating dustbathes in the flower beds, destroying the grass and generally making a mess of Gordon's garden (chickens are unbelievably destructive when it comes to greenery), then Tony should accept that if he wants Gordon to pay for the eggs, then he should have to pay for the damage to the garden.

    Of course, this could all be avoided by raising the height of the fence to at least six or seven feet and clipping their wings to stop them flying over, or just give them their own area of Tony's garden to roam in, properly fenced in, or them simply coming to a compromise over it, and letting things stay as they are, after all, neighbourly relations are IMHO a lot more important than a few quid a year.
    • nej
    • By nej 24th Jul 07, 4:00 PM
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    • 24th Jul 07, 4:00 PM
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    • 24th Jul 07, 4:00 PM
    Gordon should not pay for the eggs. If Tony doesn't want them escaping, he needs better fencing.
    • irishwench69
    • By irishwench69 24th Jul 07, 8:32 PM
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    • 24th Jul 07, 8:32 PM
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    • 24th Jul 07, 8:32 PM
    V Chic Chick and nej are right - there are wrongs on both sides, so if Tony was to charge Gordon for the eggs, he might end up stumping more on the fence, damage to garden etc.....

    Also might lose goodwill between him and Gordon too - maybe not such a problem, if a real-life example is to be believed

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  • matty69
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    • 24th Jul 07, 10:09 PM
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    • 24th Jul 07, 10:09 PM
    If Tony makes him pay and subsequently Gordon develops Salmonella, as the supplier, Tony would be liable for all kinds of claims....I say let Gordon have the eggs and the salmonella for free )
  • Epiphone
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    • 24th Jul 07, 10:20 PM
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    • 24th Jul 07, 10:20 PM
    Eat the chickens. Problem solved.
  • Errata
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    • 24th Jul 07, 10:25 PM
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    • 24th Jul 07, 10:25 PM
    If I were him I'd sue the little cluckers for trespass.
    • freebird65
    • By freebird65 25th Jul 07, 12:25 AM
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    • 25th Jul 07, 12:25 AM
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    • 25th Jul 07, 12:25 AM
    Eat the chickens. Problem solved.
    Originally posted by Epiphone


    ROFLMAO! But seriously, if the chicken's are going to get into next door's garden then why should the neighbours pay for the eggs? As already mentioned, Mr Chicken-Keeper should ensure they stay where they are meant to, or be prepared to also pay for any mess/destruction/whatever caused by said clucky creatures.
  • pinkvixen
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    • 25th Jul 07, 1:55 AM
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    • 25th Jul 07, 1:55 AM
    Not only should Gordon pay for the eggs but Tony should also pay tax on the ones he sells!
  • lancsfamily
    Gordon and Tony and eggs
    Payment for the eggs should go to the chickens, not to their capitalist master.
    • aubergine
    • By aubergine 25th Jul 07, 9:09 AM
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    It would only be reasonable for Gordon to pay for the eggs if Tony paid rent for the use of his garden.
  • HUGGYSBEAR
    Gordon should eat the evidence then deny all knowledge of the chickens laying any eggs in his garden!
  • meifodrat
    No Gordon should not pay for eggs, Tony needs better fencing.
    No reliance should be placed on the above.

  • Phaedra
    Gordon, Tony, chickens and eggs - there's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm noy quick witted enough

    If my chickens were escaping into my neighbour’s garden, the last thing I'd be worrying about is charging for the eggs - I'd be very grateful that my neighbour wasn't complaining! So no, he shouldn't pay for them and Tony should ensure that his chickens are kept more securely in future.
    • pjaj
    • By pjaj 25th Jul 07, 10:38 AM
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    To quote the Garden Law web site :-
    Animals - a duty to fence

    Although there is no general obligation on the garden owner to fence his land, even where the garden is next to the public highway, if he has animals on the garden, then he must fence to prevent the escape of the animals onto the public highway. The Highway Authority can come onto your land an fence it off to protect the public. If your animals stray either onto the highway or a neighbouring owners land, then you could be responsible for the damage that they cause.
    • ifan.goch
    • By ifan.goch 25th Jul 07, 10:48 AM
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    To quote the Garden Law web site :-
    Animals - a duty to fence

    Although there is no general obligation on the garden owner to fence his land, even where the garden is next to the public highway, if he has animals on the garden, then he must fence to prevent the escape of the animals onto the public highway. The Highway Authority can come onto your land an fence it off to protect the public. If your animals stray either onto the highway or a neighbouring owners land, then you could be responsible for the damage that they cause.
    Originally posted by pjaj
    I wish my neighbour would accept this point and fence his dog in - its always in my garden after my chickens. I wouldn't give him an egg if he was dying of starvation!
  • RobN
    Gordon should throw the eggs back over the fence.
  • brave
    eggs
    Gordon should not pay for the eggs.
    Paul should keep his hens on his own property. (It is agaist the law to allow poultry to stay on other peoples prperty)
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    • starkj
    • By starkj 25th Jul 07, 12:22 PM
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    Gordon should pay up. You can't reason with a homicidal war criminal.
  • djnelson99
    I think Gordon should eat the Chickens - no more straying into his garden then!
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