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    • Former MSE Helen
    • By Former MSE Helen 15th Oct 12, 10:12 AM
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    MSE News: Directgov website to be replaced
    • #1
    • 15th Oct 12, 10:12 AM
    MSE News: Directgov website to be replaced 15th Oct 12 at 10:12 AM
    "From Wednesday a new website will replace the government-run information service ..."

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    Directgov website to be replaced



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    • bod1467
    • By bod1467 15th Oct 12, 10:15 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 10:15 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 10:15 AM
    Everyone (pretty much) knows the direct.gov.uk site. Many many forums will have links to specific pieces of information at that site - these will all die when it changes.

    What benefit do WE get from this change? (WE = the people who employ those in government). This looks like a lot of wasted investment for no benefit at all - especially in these times of austerity. How does this factor as a priority investment of limited resources?
    • keyser666
    • By keyser666 15th Oct 12, 10:42 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 10:42 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 10:42 AM
    Everyone (pretty much) knows the direct.gov.uk site. Many many forums will have links to specific pieces of information at that site - these will all die when it changes.

    What benefit do WE get from this change? (WE = the people who employ those in government). This looks like a lot of wasted investment for no benefit at all - especially in these times of austerity. How does this factor as a priority investment of limited resources?
    Originally posted by bod1467
    Couldn't have put it better myself
    • Pincher
    • By Pincher 15th Oct 12, 10:48 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 10:48 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 10:48 AM
    Just don't touch the HMRC site, for God's sake.

    I still haven't done the tax return for 2011/12.

    Wait till I'm done, and got a receipt number.
    They can lose files, make transcription errors and then decide the new system is not for purpose afterwards.
  • GOV.UK
    • #5
    • 15th Oct 12, 11:11 AM
    No Link Left Behind
    • #5
    • 15th Oct 12, 11:11 AM
    Everyone (pretty much) knows the direct.gov.uk site. Many many forums will have links to specific pieces of information at that site - these will all die when it changes.

    What benefit do WE get from this change? (WE = the people who employ those in government). This looks like a lot of wasted investment for no benefit at all - especially in these times of austerity. How does this factor as a priority investment of limited resources?
    Originally posted by bod1467
    Hi I work for Government Digital Service and we have worked very hard to make sure that links to specific information remain live. If you want to see how we have done that you can read all about it in an article written by my colleague Paul Downey. I am not allowed insert link into this post - but if you visit digital [dot] cabinetoffice [dot] gov [dot] uk the article is called No Link Left Behind

    We hope that you will find the GOV.UK, simpler, clearer and faster to use. Hope this helps.
    Emer Coleman
    Deputy Director Government Digital Service
    • keyser666
    • By keyser666 15th Oct 12, 11:19 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 11:19 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 11:19 AM
    Hi I work for Government Digital Service and we have worked very hard to make sure that links to specific information remain live. If you want to see how we have done that you can read all about it in an article written by my colleague Paul Downey. I am not allowed insert link into this post - but if you visit digital [dot] cabinetoffice [dot] gov [dot] uk the article is called No Link Left Behind

    We hope that you will find the GOV.UK, simpler, clearer and faster to use. Hope this helps.
    Emer Coleman
    Deputy Director Government Digital Service
    Originally posted by GOV.UK
    http://digital.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/2012/10/11/no-link-left-behind/

    http://digital.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/2011/12/01/welcome-to-emer-coleman/
  • taxi73
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    • 15th Oct 12, 11:21 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 11:21 AM
    Why fix what isn't broken at great expense?
  • taxi73
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    • 15th Oct 12, 11:33 AM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 11:33 AM
    Have just been on the beta site and when you click DISABLED PEOPLE the page is blank.The other pages seem to work ok
    • rogerblack
    • By rogerblack 15th Oct 12, 1:30 PM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 1:30 PM
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    • 15th Oct 12, 1:30 PM
    The search facility seems particularly "web 3.0" - complete with a lack of advanced search, biasing towards some results, and lack of way to search for a complete phrase.
    Search for "loss of", "loss of consciousness", (with quotes "loss of")
    I also cannot find a copy of http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-guides/decision-makers-guide/ at all in the new website.

    I am glad to hear of 'no link left behind' - but am locally cacheing the DMG, just in case..


    I would make the joke that the blank page headed 'Disabled people
    Includes your rights, benefits and the Equality Act', is accurate, because this blank page now lists the entire rights and benefits available to the disabled.

    But this seems lots less funny in the face of comments made by ministers over the last year or two.
    Last edited by rogerblack; 15-10-2012 at 1:33 PM.
    • wealdroam
    • By wealdroam 15th Oct 12, 1:45 PM
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    wealdroam
    The search facility seems particularly "web 3.0" - complete with a lack of advanced search, biasing towards some results, and lack of way to search for a complete phrase.
    Search for "loss of", "loss of consciousness", (with quotes "loss of")
    I also cannot find a copy of http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-guides/decision-makers-guide/ at all in the new website.

    I am glad to hear of 'no link left behind' - but am locally cacheing the DMG, just in case..


    I would make the joke that the blank page headed 'Disabled people
    Includes your rights, benefits and the Equality Act', is accurate, because this blank page now lists the entire rights and benefits available to the disabled.

    But this seems lots less funny in the face of comments made by ministers over the last year or two.
    Originally posted by rogerblack
    Did you read the MSE article?

    If so, you will have seen...
    A test version of Gov.uk is currently available, although the new version will replace this when it goes live on 17 October.
    I.e. what is there at the moment is a test version.

    When accessing the site, I am sure you also saw...
    ...you can explore the website by using this experimental trial (‘beta’) version.
    PLEASE BE AWARE – this is a test website. It may contain inaccuracies or be misleading. Directgov and Business Link remain the official websites for government information and services.
    Last edited by wealdroam; 15-10-2012 at 1:47 PM.
    • OlliesDad
    • By OlliesDad 15th Oct 12, 2:30 PM
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    Why fix what isn't broken at great expense?
    Originally posted by taxi73
    Although the current website may seem ok to us as a user, it may be very restrictive and the chance to grow it may be limited. This change is likely to be an upgrade to the web platform and therefore allow more functionality.
    • rogerblack
    • By rogerblack 15th Oct 12, 2:59 PM
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    Did you read the MSE article?

    If so, you will have seen...
    I.e. what is there at the moment is a test version.

    When accessing the site, I am sure you also saw...
    Originally posted by wealdroam
    Certainly.
    One should never ever comment on beta releases of sites, because when they are released, absolutely all the bugs of the beta will have been fixed, and they will work perfectly.
    • OlliesDad
    • By OlliesDad 15th Oct 12, 3:35 PM
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    Certainly.
    One should never ever comment on beta releases of sites, because when they are released, absolutely all the bugs of the beta will have been fixed, and they will work perfectly.
    Originally posted by rogerblack
    True, however the lack of content on the site will be due to it being a test site.
    • Obviously the best
    • By Obviously the best 15th Oct 12, 6:07 PM
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    Obviously the best
    I do wish the government would stop wasting taxpayers money on things like this, when there are clearly far more important things to be done.
    OTB

    Always happy to help (ba-da-ba-ba-ba ching ching)
    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 15th Oct 12, 6:52 PM
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    Have just been on the beta site and when you click DISABLED PEOPLE the page is blank.The other pages seem to work ok
    Originally posted by taxi73

    That's because the government has declared us all healed.
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
    • bod1467
    • By bod1467 15th Oct 12, 6:57 PM
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    bod1467
    Hi I work for Government Digital Service and we have worked very hard to make sure that links to specific information remain live. If you want to see how we have done that you can read all about it in an article written by my colleague Paul Downey. I am not allowed insert link into this post - but if you visit digital [dot] cabinetoffice [dot] gov [dot] uk the article is called No Link Left Behind

    We hope that you will find the GOV.UK, simpler, clearer and faster to use. Hope this helps.
    Emer Coleman
    Deputy Director Government Digital Service
    Originally posted by GOV.UK
    Quoted for posterity. Of course, some random one-post-wonder absolutely IS a government employee/agent involved in that website.
    • rogerblack
    • By rogerblack 15th Oct 12, 7:14 PM
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    I do wish the government would stop wasting taxpayers money on things like this, when there are clearly far more important things to be done.
    Originally posted by Obviously the best
    I disagree with this to a degree.

    If a website upgrade costs 10 million, that might be seen as waste.
    But, in principle websites can remove serious amounts of cost elsewhere.

    Reducing the numbers of call centre staff required to handle a reduced call volume, having those calls that the customer does need to make be shorter, ...
    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 15th Oct 12, 7:15 PM
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    Jojo the Tightfisted
    Quoted for posterity. Of course, some random one-post-wonder absolutely IS a government employee/agent involved in that website.
    Originally posted by bod1467


    Although the apparent inability to conform to forum rules and obtain permission to post makes it a fairly safe bet.....
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 15th Oct 12, 7:18 PM
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    I also cannot find a copy of http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-guides/decision-makers-guide/ at all in the new website.
    Originally posted by rogerblack
    Would that perhaps be because the new gov.uk website replaces the direct.gov.uk website, whereas the link you give is from the dwp.gov.uk website?

    I've used a few pages of the beta site (Google found them). The pages I found were easier to navigate and had more information than the direct.gov.uk equivalent.
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  • fluffnutter
    'Easier to use'. Crikey. Directgov was about the easiest website you could imagine anyway. If you dumb it down any more you might as well just use pictures
    "Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell" - Edward Abbey.
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