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    • Former MSE Helen
    • By Former MSE Helen 15th May 12, 8:21 AM
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    MSE News: Fuel duty 'could rocket' to reduce Treasury shortfall
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    • 15th May 12, 8:21 AM
    MSE News: Fuel duty 'could rocket' to reduce Treasury shortfall 15th May 12 at 8:21 AM
    This is the discussion thread for the following MSE News Story:

    "Motorists could face a 50% rise in fuel duty in future years to cover a 13 billion hole ..."

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    • LesU
    • By LesU 15th May 12, 8:47 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 8:47 AM
    "This isn't scaremongering. The Treasury has already announced a review of VED bands to ensure drivers make a fair contribution to the public finances even as cars become more fuel-efficient."

    So how will taxing liquid fuels get the (supposedly) tens of thousands of new electric car owners to make a 'fair contribution'?
    Surely taxing a fuel that is becoming unfashionable will be the wrong direction for road financing.

    So yet again we find the Government using a 'green' excuse to manipulate what we do through lower taxation, followed by higher taxation on the end result. First encourage people to buy diesel for better mpg and then wack higher duty on it than petrol. Potential electric car owners should take note, they will find some way to get the cash out of you.
    • milliemonster
    • By milliemonster 15th May 12, 8:55 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 8:55 AM
    well, i was saying this would happen a few years ago when the previous government were reducing VED to 30 a year or even nil for cars that were more fuel efficient, I mean, come on, if everyone bought those cars and the revenue from VED suddenly dried up where would this revenue then come from? people were naive if they think they can get out of paying this tax in one form or another.

    The revenue is needed whether we like it or not and the motorist will always pay a high price, the previous and current government can hide behind green taxes all they like, but if we all suddenly stopped using cars tomorrow, they would probably add the taxation onto the very air we breathe to gnaw it back
    • gilbert and sullivan
    • By gilbert and sullivan 15th May 12, 9:02 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 9:02 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 9:02 AM
    If a govt, especially one of ours encourages you do do something then look for the sting, one thing thats guaranteed is they do not have the electorates interests at heart..
    They've been encouraging the ownership of ever smaller fuel efficient cars for years, even allowing the better ones free VED, and the people have done as they were bidden.

    No one in their right mind could imagine the gorging beast that is the UK and EU govts would seriously want you to contribute less in taxes, that was never the agenda.

    Increased VED and fuel taxes will be but a temporary phase....the real agenda is to monitor all road use and charge you accordingly....the recently floated idea of selling off the roads is the key...then when the privateers overcharge you for the use of, the govt of the day can make grand speeches condemning them.

    The best thing about road pricing is that as a by product it gives complete monitoring of the populace.

    Don't feed the beast, starve it.
    • richard734
    • By richard734 15th May 12, 9:23 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 9:23 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 9:23 AM
    I wouldnt mind if they were just honest about it!

    Private roads/toll roads work. Look at the M6 Toll... I love it and its worth the price for me, and if I dont use it, I dont have to pay for its upkeep.
    Look at the toll roads in France - always a pleasure to drive, well maintained, and guess what? you pay for what you use.
    • Andy L
    • By Andy L 15th May 12, 9:45 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 9:45 AM
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    Private roads/toll roads work. Look at the M6 Toll... I love it and its worth the price for me, and if I dont use it, I dont have to pay for its upkeep.
    Look at the toll roads in France - always a pleasure to drive, well maintained, and guess what? you pay for what you use.
    Originally posted by richard734
    M6 road toll failure - motorists refusing to pay to travel
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3960597
    • lemontart
    • By lemontart 15th May 12, 10:26 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 10:26 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 10:26 AM
    only concern for me is I would not be able to afford to travel to work and please do not patronise me by saying use public transport as there is none for some of the start and finish times I do . and 28 miles is a little to far to walk or cycle each way. I am working on moving closer to work because of travel costs etc fingers crossed that happens sooner rather than later as already seen a massive raise in costs in past 7 months since I have been moved to this office when the one I worked in closed.
    I am responsible me, myself and I alone I am not the keeper others thoughts and words.
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    • 15th May 12, 11:09 AM
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    I am hoping I can continue working from home lemontart - cos I have now got to the position that the car will be sold as soon as DS1 leaves Primary School this June. Simply can't justify keeping it with the additional taxes.

    So Chancellor will just have to magic an "Economic Recovery" without my contribution from here on in.

    .................. until they start taxing cycles and kids scooters I suppose.

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    • WestonDave
    • By WestonDave 15th May 12, 11:20 AM
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    • 15th May 12, 11:20 AM
    Spot the vested interest - RAC Foundation! It also conveniently ignores the fact that whilst petrol/diesel consumption may be falling, fuel duty hasn't fallen, prices have risen, on which VAT is calculated, plus VAT has gone from 17.5% to 20%. I somehow doubt the Treasury is losing as much as claimed!
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  • mikey72
    It would be easier if they just bit the bullet and put another 2p on the lower rate of income tax.
    • lucifersangel87
    • By lucifersangel87 15th May 12, 11:42 AM
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    I am for and against road usage monitoring in equal measure. As Jeremy Clarkson once said, if they have a little black box in every car in england, they can tell where you are, where you are heading, and what speed you're going. Bye Bye speed cameras, hello fixed penalty black box fines.

    However - the idea of being able to pay for the little amount of road I use (7 miles a day) to- and from- work, sounds like a very good and economical idea. It would also allow those with two cars to pay only for the car they are using, and not overpay for the luxury.

    An example is this - you buy a small citroen C1 for fuel economy and eco 'green-ness'.. but you also go away once a month in your 19ft 1000kg caravan - so you need a larger towcar, which you only use to tow that caravan. yes, put a higher rate per mile on more thirsty cars, but I will still be saving money because my thirsty car is on the drive most of the month while the eco-sipper is running me to and from work for almost no emissions.
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  • mikey72
    My big car costs about 2500 in petrol for 10k miles, the little one costs 1100 for the same distance. So even splitting 50/50, that's 700 less the 200 for tax, mot, and insurance, so I'm still 500 a year up, which more than covers depreciation on the big one.
    • gilbert and sullivan
    • By gilbert and sullivan 15th May 12, 11:51 AM
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    Oh no not a chance, road pricing will be in addition to the current and any additional charges they can dream up.

    The beast must be fed or it will die.
  • Narc
    The environmental excuses to squeeze money out of motorists are silly. As soon as there is a popular viable alternative it will be taxed just as much because the gov't couldn't sustain the hige loss in tax revenue because the money obtained for fuel use is not largely put into helping the environmental problems it causes or invested into alternative fuel research.
    • wriggly
    • By wriggly 15th May 12, 12:33 PM
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    I am for and against road usage monitoring in equal measure. As Jeremy Clarkson once said, if they have a little black box in every car in england, they can tell where you are, where you are heading, and what speed you're going. Bye Bye speed cameras, hello fixed penalty black box fines.
    Originally posted by lucifersangel87
    I agree with you on this - the only organisations supporting this approach are the black box providers and satellite link companies.

    However - the idea of being able to pay for the little amount of road I use (7 miles a day) to- and from- work, sounds like a very good and economical idea. It would also allow those with two cars to pay only for the car they are using, and not overpay for the luxury.
    Yes, and this is what petrol duty does. You pay per mile, with the price adjusted by the fuel efficiency of your car. Simple, without the additional expense of black boxes to install, monitor and maintain.
    • blizeH
    • By blizeH 15th May 12, 1:15 PM
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    Good thing I'm selling a car that gets close to 60mpg, and have replaced it with a sports car that gets around 30mpg. D'oh...
  • AlexisV
    If you suddenly increased prices to cover the 13 billion tomorrow, it's very likely you'd cause more than 13 billion of damage to the economy as a whole.
  • im-lost
    hpw the hell is this even news?

    by 2029? are the MSE team serious?

    Any predicted fuel duty rise will be dwarfed by the cost of petrol by then.
  • mikey72
    It'll have run out by then.
  • adamc260
    It'll have run out by then.
    Originally posted by mikey72
    At the rate america chomps through it with their 15-20mpg SUV's for just driving up and down motorways it will!
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