Your browser isn't supported
It looks like you're using an old web browser. To get the most out of the site and to ensure guides display correctly, we suggest upgrading your browser now. Download the latest:

Welcome to the MSE Forums

We're home to a fantastic community of MoneySavers but anyone can post. Please exercise caution & report spam, illegal, offensive or libellous posts/messages: click "report" or email forumteam@.

Search
  • FIRST POST
    • zippychick
    • By zippychick 4th Jun 11, 11:19 AM
    • 9,343Posts
    • 17,889Thanks
    zippychick
    • #1
    • 4th Jun 11, 11:19 AM
    4th Jun 11 at 11:19 AM
    Hi everyone,

    Welcome to the fifth Grocery Challenge of 2012

    If your new month starts early feel free to join this thread, or if you're still working on your March budget, then keep on posting in the:
    April 2012 Grocery Challenge

    As always this challenge is to reduce your own grocery budget to levels that you will be pleased with, not forgetting that we always recommend that you stay inside your own comfort levels and take things gently one step at a time. Remember that this is not a competition....it's designed to take you and your grocery spending to a level you are happy with.

    If you are new to the challenge I have quoted the advice from Galtizz below which will help you get started.

    Please post into this thread for help and advice and support at any time. Good luck to everyone taking part!

    I have said this before, but for all the newbies to the challenge;

    For the first month I took a guess at the budget but I really had no idea how much I was spending.

    I found the best thing is to have a guess the first month but SAVE ALL OF YOUR RECEIPTS (and yes, that does include the ones from the local shop when you run out of milk ), then at the end of the month add them all up and have a look if you were on budget, if not, it doesn't matter because your budget was a guess. For the next month you can use the total of your receipts and take a bit off to get a realistic budget, just shave off as much as you think you can, it could be 1 a week or 20 a week.

    If you are currently spending 200 a month don't suddenly drop it to 100 - you'll never do it but if you cut 20 a month off for a few months you'll get there eventually without feeling you're missing out on anything.

    You might think you've done everything you can in the first month but someone always comes up with a new idea and, if you try it you often find you save a bit more (unless you are SarahSaver who is an expert at this and could only save more if she turned her back garden into a paddy field and lived on rice ) In the first month I thought, I'm planning meals, I couldn't possibly save any more, but then I started double cooking and freezing, and making soup instead of buying it in tins.

    I've been doing this since Feb but only saved ALL of my receipts last month, it has given me a much better idea of where it is all going. Budget for next month is 80 for 2 of us, I'll start on 30/4. I could probably save more, by eating different foods but I can afford to live on 80, I have saved a lot of money since Feb. and I don't waste food or money any more. So I'm happy with my budget.
    By request, here is Spiggles wonderful helpful post

    We all have different budgets that suit our households. The most important thing to remember is that you set yours according to your needs and finances. It can take time to get to where you want to be too so don't knock yourself out if you go over in the first few months. We are here to support each other and it is not a competition.

    I thought it might help to outline where we've come from and the top tips I've learned.

    When we started in March 2010 we had spent in excess of 600 in the previous month. This had to stop, (there's only me and him and our two beautiful black cats) something which thankfully my OH completely agreed with so I have been lucky that he has been on board from the start. He gave me his debit card voluntarily and I still keep hold of it until he needs to get something for the home. At the same time we set up a system of pocket money (pm) at 15 each per week which doesn't count towards the GC and which we can each spend as we wish with no comebacks or complaints. OH predominantly uses his pm on his beer and I ferret mine away mostly.

    The next step was to set up my own spreadsheet which is absolutely simple onto which I put all spends so that I have a continuous running total for the month and for the year. We initially set our budget at 280 per month and brought it down to 240 where it resides for most of the year it is occasionally increased to allow for extras e.g. Christmas to 260.

    The important 'tools' we found greatly helped and continue to do so now are:

    Stocktake cupboards, fridge, freezer - make lists and ensure that the older products get used up first. You'll be amazed at what you find squirrelled away and it will help with your shopping list as you'll realise that you don't actually need so much.

    Before you go shopping check staples - running out of milk, bread, butter, etc often leads to going into a shop for one thing and coming out 20 lighter. Always check these and if they'll run out tomorrow buy them the same time as getting other things.

    Always make a shopping list and stick to it - the supermarkets (sm) try every which way to get us to spend so having a list and strong resolve is the only way to beat them.

    Keep every receipt - and then note it down on your spreadsheet/spend diary so that you always know where you are.

    When tempted, ask yourself do you NEED it or just WANT it - now this advice goes with two things. Firstly, the things you see in store when shopping that APPEAR to be bargains - if you hadn't planned spending the money then its not a bargain. Secondly, the sm send us loads of vouchers for X off a spend of XX - if you had no NEED to spend XX then have you SAVED anything???

    Use my supermarket to compare prices (limited to four of the biggies) - The site may be used to actually do an online shop at whichever of the big four offers the best value or, if you have the time and sm availability, to make up lists for visiting each of the stores so that you can purchase all you need at different stores thus getting the best possible value. (I'd add, do a 'shop' virtually on this site and take the list you create on it with you, whichever one you shop at, it will help keep target prices in your head and allow you to spot bargains. MrM is not included but you can do a virtual list on their website so you know what you're going to be spending.)

    Always have a list - this is just as important when shopping online as shopping on foot.

    Use Approved Foods online (with a list!) - if you don't mind out of date things (ood) or you can search for only in date items. The only drawback is storing the goods as far as I can tell. Oh, and watch the delivery as it's done on a scaled charge for weight so keep an eye on it. You can of course do an AF order with friends, family, colleagues or like minded neighbours. Other GCers use Big Br*nds 4 Less too.

    Invest in a breadmaker - we have saved so much by making our own bread. The prices in the shops are extortionate for bread these days. There's loads of advice on this thread and others in the forum on this.

    Use the recipe lists - always posted at the front of a new thread. There are fantastic, tasty, healthy and economical recipes to use on them and there are a number of other threads on the forum such as Weezl's that will help you to eat well on a budget.

    Shop locally - the local greengrocer (or preferably market but I don't have one ) is usually cheaper as an option for fruit and veg (f&v) than the sm. Often the prices may look the same but when you look at the quantity for the same price the greengrocer will be cheaper. The same goes for the local butcher. Often you will have far more variety of meat available, advice on how to cook a particular meat can be offered and there is (for me at least) no comparison in terms of quality. We buy our huge FR eggs there and I'm yet to find an equivalent FR egg in a sm at the same or lower price. Obvioulsy if you have your own chicks/know someone who has chicks you can get them even cheaper again.

    Grow your own - it's quite simple to grow some f&v at home even if it's only in pots on the patio. There are also supportive threads on the forum for this.

    Cook your own - making meals at home from ingredients is far more economical, often tastes better than shop bought and is probably far better healthwise.

    Meal Plan - this is something that others can advise on as we don't do it. I have a tremendous capacity for eating the same food over many days but presented in slightly different form. For example, we could buy 7 worth of brisket from the butchers and eat it as pot roast for a couple of days, sliced for sarnies, sliced with a salad, chucked into a casserole or shredded up and fried as crispy beef.

    Don't waste food - either only make what you need or use any leftovers for other meals/creations or freeze it for another day.

    Withdraw the cash you want to spend - and keep it in a separate purse. This can be particularly effective as you have the money in front of you reducing rather than spending with plastic which is so easy to lose track of. Very useful when you first start out.

    Don't go to the shops to browse - this can only lead to pain and hardship!!!

    Keep posting and reading the thread - there really is no better supportive, wise and inspirational place to be! I think I saw that somebody mentioned forgetting to read/post. I get around this by using the Advanced button to post, below the window where your text is displayed you will see Additional Options. In the Thread Subscription box use the dropdown to select either instant email notification (this is what I use) or daily email notification before you submit your latest post. Then you will get an email into your inbox from which you can click to the thread to see what others are saying.

    Always remember the sm is not your friend - it wants to profit from you and take as much of your money as it can coerce out of you!

    So, there you go as a starting point. Others on here will offer tremendous advice on meal planning. And don't forget, the only silly question is the one you didn't ask!

    See you all later,
    Spigs
    For quidelines on posting in this thread please read the second post in this thread.

    For the Grocery challenge Recipe Index please see posts #3, #4, #5 and #6 on this thread.

    For everyones totals, see post #7 on this thread

    I hope everyone has a great month!

    Zip
    Last edited by zippychick; 19-04-2012 at 5:45 PM.
    A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men
    Norn Iron club member #380

Page 17
    • tatabubbly
    • By tatabubbly 1st May 12, 4:03 PM
    • 905 Posts
    • 6,077 Thanks
    tatabubbly
    So declaring a spend spend spend day for me.. Had to go to aldi to check out the super 6 deal. Managed to spend €6 but hopefully this should keep me going now till next week, I've loads in the cupboards which is brill cos I've so many other bills!
    094 Sealed pot member! (7) 185 (8) 138 (9) 250
    Saving for our first home!
  • argent3216
    OMG I want to cry...
    OMG I've just seen this thread and just want to cry. In absolute honesty, we spend about 875/ month on food. Miles above anyone else. I feel like an alcoholic coming clean. I do count every receipt religiously so really know my bills. I can't even imagine we'd even half this let alone reduce by even more as I do try even now ie home cook, use leftovers. There is 5 of us, one in nappies but this seems common to a few of you. We never go on holiday - it's no wonder as I must be throwing money away by the bucketload. My hub is a bit awkward about scrimping and just will not deprive himself on any level but that still leaves 4 of us in my control. I actually feel like I've been hit in the stomach.....
    • jedi82
    • By jedi82 1st May 12, 4:15 PM
    • 406 Posts
    • 3,548 Thanks
    jedi82
    OMG I've just seen this thread and just want to cry. In absolute honesty, we spend about 875/ month on food. Miles above anyone else. I feel like an alcoholic coming clean. I do count every receipt religiously so really know my bills. I can't even imagine we'd even half this let alone reduce by even more as I do try even now ie home cook, use leftovers. There is 5 of us, one in nappies but this seems common to a few of you. We never go on holiday - it's no wonder as I must be throwing money away by the bucketload. My hub is a bit awkward about scrimping and just will not deprive himself on any level but that still leaves 4 of us in my control. I actually feel like I've been hit in the stomach.....
    Originally posted by argent3216
    Hi, don't worry! You have found us now . It is amazing how you can bring your shopping down but taking little steps ie try dropping a brand (I never used to eat ANYTHING unless it was branded but tried this and have mostly value stuff now). The posters on here have fab advice.

    My DH was never into cutting back but slowly, I have changed his mind. TBH I didn't tell him that i was changing certain things until after he had it and liked it but it certainly got him thinking . He is well on board now!

    Baby steps but you can do it and you will be amazed at what you can save!

    Jedi x
    Last edited by jedi82; 01-05-2012 at 4:15 PM. Reason: spelling
    Finally getting my life on track. Onwards and upwards.
    BSC No 327
    GC Jan 336.91/450
    GC Feb 0/400
    • Coxy11
    • By Coxy11 1st May 12, 4:18 PM
    • 2,295 Posts
    • 27,317 Thanks
    Coxy11
    OMG I've just seen this thread and just want to cry. In absolute honesty, we spend about 875/ month on food. Miles above anyone else. I feel like an alcoholic coming clean. I do count every receipt religiously so really know my bills. I can't even imagine we'd even half this let alone reduce by even more as I do try even now ie home cook, use leftovers. There is 5 of us, one in nappies but this seems common to a few of you. We never go on holiday - it's no wonder as I must be throwing money away by the bucketload. My hub is a bit awkward about scrimping and just will not deprive himself on any level but that still leaves 4 of us in my control. I actually feel like I've been hit in the stomach.....
    Originally posted by argent3216
    Awww hun, don't beat yourself up! Maybe try to reduce your total spends by a little for the first month. It's amazing what you can do if you cook from scratch, drop down a brand etc.

    I think it's important to remember that 5 people in one house won't spend the same as another. I also live with a food snob (he admits it!) but we have reached compromise on some foods and I think eat better because I homecook more now.

    Chin up luvvie.
    Cross-stitch WIP #1: Collecting Shells by Nancy Cole
    Cross-stitch WIP #2: Pretty Little London by Satsuma Street
    • hex2
    • By hex2 1st May 12, 4:31 PM
    • 4,722 Posts
    • 80,174 Thanks
    hex2
    In absolute honesty, we spend about 875/ month on food. Miles above anyone else..
    Originally posted by argent3216
    Argent, don't fret. Mine used to be similar and we still have the odd bad month. Contained mine through small changes (like changing what we ate for 'health' reasons which got rid of a lot of the expensive junk) and cooking from scratch a lot more. I also changed where and how we shop which has paid off. It isn't about starving people but about taking control of your spending,

    We only drink decent coffee for example, but I only buy it when it is on offer and then I buy as much as I can afford.
    'If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need' Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • jumblejack
    Argent,

    Welcome to the thread.

    You will have LOADS of support on here.

    Why not start with down branding, buying supermarket brands.
    You can refill a lot of branded packagings do hubby will never know!
    Coffee, tea, cereals etc can all be refilled without raising suspicion

    Next tip is don't buy a weekly shop in one shop.

    I usually go to the shops after tea/early evening to check out the reductions on chilled/bread and grocery aisles.
    My meals are worked out by what reductions I have purchased.

    Make sure you run your receipts in to either Tesco price check or Asda price guarantee as you may be able to generate a voucher to use on your next shop.

    Moneysupermarket is a wonderful site. Just type in the items on your list and you can compare what they are currently selling for in the major supermarkets.

    You CAN do it!!!!!
    Every moment is a gift. That's why we call it the present.!
    Grocery Spend Weekly Challenge (Sat-Fri):30.50/40
    • TheThriftyScrumpers
    • By TheThriftyScrumpers 1st May 12, 5:06 PM
    • 272 Posts
    • 5,359 Thanks
    TheThriftyScrumpers
    Sallybunny congratulations! I hope you are feeling ok

    NSD today. I was intending to go to sm for a small shop but I was up half the night throwing up. Thankfully no one else has had it so I think it must be down to a prawn sandwich I had for lunch consequently today has been a long day. No prawns will be consumed in our house for a while!
    GC Mar 11 437.08Apr 11 459.26 May 11 485.52 June 11 423.79July 11 409.22 Aug 11 250.10Sept 11 396.14Oct 11 382.37Nov 11 372.55Dec 11 332.29 Jan 12 375.19:Feb 12 349.58Mar 12 279.66Apr 12 249.12May 12 337.66/Jun 12 362.58/Jul 12 317.03/Aug 12 354.02/Sept 439.72/Oct 12 210.16
  • abitofhelp
    Sallybunny congrats on your news that really is great.
    argent3216 welcome aboard you will have a fab time on this thread and will learn all sorts of new tricks and recipes.
    my oh has no idea how little we are spending on food since joining this thread. he is a bit of a snob and i really enjoy watching him eat a chilli or lasagna padded out with oats or lentils and grated veg.he has no idea, its fab. Also think of that lovely holiday you could go on next year with your savings.
    Grocery Challenge 24th Feb-28 Dec 2012 2000/1404
    18th May- 15th June 2012 100/75
    Dont Throw Food Away 2012 May 5/0
  • jumblejack
    Taken from hukd:
    Deals
    All
    36 Lidl half price weekend offers - Sat 5th/ Sun 6th
    3

    No meat offer this weekend, but that may vary by area so check lidl.co.uk from Thursday for your local offers

    Manor Vale Medium Mature Cheddar 400g - 1.19
    Strawberries 500g - 99p
    Tomato Pasta Sauce 530g - 37p
    Jacobs Biscuits For Cheese 200g - 92p
    Found 4 hours, 5 minutes ago by
    nicster08
    Save for later
    Thanks nicster. You are a legend
    Every moment is a gift. That's why we call it the present.!
    Grocery Spend Weekly Challenge (Sat-Fri):30.50/40
    • Suffolk lass
    • By Suffolk lass 1st May 12, 5:30 PM
    • 2,921 Posts
    • 27,461 Thanks
    Suffolk lass
    made two weetabix cakes last night, had a bag of prunes i wanted to use up so chopped hem up instead of using raisins, no one noticed in fact elder DS had a second slice so it must have been ok.
    Originally posted by mrs-moneypenny
    mrs-moneypenny I bet they noticed this morning, even if they didn't know why...

    I have a few questions. I will sound stupid, but never mind. When is blackberry season? And when is sloe season? How much fat do I need for a pastry topper for a 6" pie? And, specifically for Florenceem, how do you do the garlic wedges you show us? Look lush, and would be a change from normal wedges.

    DD ate at a friend's today. They had McD. I don't mind them having that every now and then as a treat, but I had planned that in for Friday as we have zero time for dinner, so now I have to rethink that.
    PG x
    Originally posted by PennyGrabber
    I would use 3oz flour, 1.5oz fat and a pinch of salt for a 6" topper - nice and thin and stuck to the pate with water, painted with milk unless you have a bit of egg from something

    How about a bowl of pasta with hm tomato sauce and topped with a sprinkle of grated cheese instead of McD? - you could do it before and just nuke to re-heat - if the tomato sauce is mixed through the pasta it won't go hard. We like it cold for LO lunches too

    My hm tomato sauce was on an Italian cookery course taught by an elderly Italian lady called Rosanna, who used to be the chef at the County Hotel in Chelmsford - opposite the Essex cricket ground they used to accommodate all the visiting cricket teams (probably still do). It's cheap and easy and very tasty.

    Rosanna sauce
    can of chopped tomatoes
    clove of chopped garlic
    teaspoon of sugar
    teaspoon tomato puree
    3 tablespoons olive oil
    salt and pepper
    herbs (basil, thyme and mint)

    Heat the oil, add the chopped garlic and saute for 1 minute, then add the rest of the ingredients - simmer for ten minutes.

    This is also brilliant for a pizza base topping

    HTH
    SL
    MFIT T5 target to clear our mortgage completely (59,998) Q1 26,828 or 44.71% paid - Mortgage Free Wannabes 2019 #37 29,215.99 after May
    Save 12k in 2019 - #68 target is 7k 4,998.99 or 71.41% after May
    OS Grocery Challenge 2019 target is 3k - 36.16% spent so far, after May
    My DFD is here
    • Suffolk lass
    • By Suffolk lass 1st May 12, 5:47 PM
    • 2,921 Posts
    • 27,461 Thanks
    Suffolk lass
    OMG I've just seen this thread and just want to cry. In absolute honesty, we spend about 875/ month on food. Miles above anyone else. I feel like an alcoholic coming clean. I do count every receipt religiously so really know my bills. I can't even imagine we'd even half this let alone reduce by even more as I do try even now ie home cook, use leftovers. There is 5 of us, one in nappies but this seems common to a few of you. We never go on holiday - it's no wonder as I must be throwing money away by the bucketload. My hub is a bit awkward about scrimping and just will not deprive himself on any level but that still leaves 4 of us in my control. I actually feel like I've been hit in the stomach.....
    Originally posted by argent3216
    argent3216 Don't worry - my household is only 5 including the cats and I was spending over 650 before Christmas (not including fuel for cars and anything I was sneaky enough to get DH to buy on his CC!)

    I am on a journey to reduce and learning valuable lessons, along with almost everyone on this thread (although there are one or two who have it completely sorted such as Florenceem )- so, welcome and read on in. Definitely it is good advice to read the first few posts on page 1 which are our "standing bible" of do's and don'ts. If you have hoarder tendencies (like me, who is prepared for the next Suffolk siege) then read up on Mothership's 2nd purse system in post #6 and try Linz's great tracker spreadsheet (there is also a whole 2nd purse thread now too). I recommend regular speed-reading as we average 50-odd posts a day at this stage of each month.

    Other top tips are to "thank" as you read (so you know where you got to) and keep a running total in your signature (User CP and Edit signature from the menu on the left) - and subscribe (Thread tools; subscribe to thread) so every time you go to your User CP you can see when there are new posts to catch up on! Good luck and keep posting!

    SL
    MFIT T5 target to clear our mortgage completely (59,998) Q1 26,828 or 44.71% paid - Mortgage Free Wannabes 2019 #37 29,215.99 after May
    Save 12k in 2019 - #68 target is 7k 4,998.99 or 71.41% after May
    OS Grocery Challenge 2019 target is 3k - 36.16% spent so far, after May
    My DFD is here
  • argent3216
    Thanks All for support - beginning to get over shock now and planning, planning, planning - I darednt post my hoped budget for May against all the uber- duber ones... Will try in a couple months when hopefully am a bit more in shape
  • MunniMuncha
    Hi everyone - it is only 1st May and we are on page 17 already!!! Have been away and missed the last few pages of April's challenge and now 17 pages of this one, so am sorry for all who posted, but really haven't got the time to read them all, so will start from here.

    Came 18 over budget last month, which I am quite pleased about as even though it is still offer it is way less than it would have been had I not started this challenge, so thanks to everyone and the lovely people who run it.

    Was over in my first week of this month's challenge (23 - 22 monthly), but will claw that back in the next three weeks. Am buying more from my own shop these days than the SM's so really pleased with that. Don't need to buy anything til the weekend and then only B&M, so should be okay this month (fingers crossed)
    When you were born, you were crying and everyone around was smiling. Live your life so at the end, you're the one who is smiling and everyone around you is crying!


    June GC - 352.04/350
    SP challenge 3P 171.28
  • Carmilla
    A huge 138 at MrT's yesterday, quite a few none food items, but I did get some good bargains and used a bunch of vouchers.

    I couldn't help buying a new accounting book to help hubby and I keep track of our purchases. I definatly have a stationary addiction, but at least I didn't buy a new pen too

    I picked up a free (I was buying a drink from my gift card) 50g bag of coffee from Starbucks today, ask for the blonde, if you are interested, say you got an email. Also a greggs pasty for .91
    Last edited by Carmilla; 01-05-2012 at 7:24 PM.
    Needing to save all the money, lots of MSE learning still to do

    DS Born Jan 2012, Baba number 2 due in June 2014
    • craigywv
    • By craigywv 1st May 12, 6:07 PM
    • 1,976 Posts
    • 27,825 Thanks
    craigywv
    Taken from hukd:

    Thanks nicster. You are a legend
    Originally posted by jumblejack
    hi, do you know what the present deals are on at the moment in liles pls i heading there tomorrow thanks.
  • Mrs Addicted to Spending
    Hi just flying in away from my revision to report my week's spend of 62.17 out of 320 for the month so all good . I've been trying to use up what we have in so that's made a massive difference. Will catch up on everyone's posts next week but in meantime hope everyone's OK
    Pay debt in 2012 #278 2347/5364
    Sealed Pot 5 #1713 78.57 //Crazy Clothes Challenge #97 79.49/100
    Grocery Challenge:
    Feb 359/360 Mar 390/450 Apr 335/320
    May 330/320 Jun 455/400 Jul 321/320
    Aug 399/370 Sep 345/300 Oct 421/400 Nov 0/320
  • abitofhelp
    Thanks All for support - beginning to get over shock now and planning, planning, planning - I darednt post my hoped budget for May against all the uber- duber ones... Will try in a couple months when hopefully am a bit more in shape
    Originally posted by argent3216
    Nothing wrong with posting a budget and not quite keeping to it. Feel free to have a look at my sig at the bottom to see my pitifully low yearly budget & my even more pitiful 100 for 4 weeks budget. I wont be able to keep to either but its a start, i have dropped my spends by a lot. We were spending over 500 a month on food and takeaways & boozy things. Also it gives you something to aim for. Even if you say make a 30 saving on what you spent last month its a step in the right direction. And if you dont well its not the end of the world. Baby steps.
    Grocery Challenge 24th Feb-28 Dec 2012 2000/1404
    18th May- 15th June 2012 100/75
    Dont Throw Food Away 2012 May 5/0
    • ClaireT13
    • By ClaireT13 1st May 12, 6:58 PM
    • 220 Posts
    • 3,462 Thanks
    ClaireT13
    Hi

    Just popping in to report a NSD today
    However, DH just can clean about a KFC he bought yesterday for 4.99 - and I sent him to work with lunch

    Adding to the total now

    Claire
  • Ninno820
    Evening all - just popping in to report a NSD before my lap top loses power!

    I have also discovered another money saving trick. I read it on one of the forums but didnt try it until tonight. I had run out of fire lighters so stuffed a toilet roll with lint from the dryer - and it worked!!!!!

    Must run - the computer is flashing me!

    Take care xx
    44 day challenge


    1. Pay 650 off overdraft ( 288/ 650)
    2. Lose 12 lbs (4.5/ 12)
    3. Use YNAB everyday (6/44)
  • supersally01
    99p spend to report on popadums from aldi on Monday. Too wet to go out today so a NSD.
Welcome to our new Forum!

Our aim is to save you money quickly and easily. We hope you like it!

Forum Team Contact us

Live Stats

1,227Posts Today

7,827Users online

Martin's Twitter