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    • MSE Guy
    • By MSE Guy 16th Feb 11, 8:49 AM
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    MSE News: Annual energy statements 'not working'
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    • 16th Feb 11, 8:49 AM
    MSE News: Annual energy statements 'not working' 16th Feb 11 at 8:49 AM
    This is the discussion thread for the following MSE News Story:

    "Just 37% of households say they have received an annual bill, introduced last year under compulsory new rules ..."

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    • MacMickster
    • By MacMickster 16th Feb 11, 10:11 AM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 10:11 AM
    Even when an annual statement is received, energy companies themselves try to insist that these are not accurate.

    My father-in-law, who is in his mid eighties, recently received his annual statement from Npower at the same time as a notification that his monthly direct debits were being increased by over 20% (a big hit to a pensioner on a low fixed income).

    Using his annual statement and tariff details I calculated that with the increased payments he would overpay by almost 200 over the course of the year. I phoned Npower on his behalf and was initially told that I was mistaken in using the annual statement as Npower had calculated the payment using "actual figures". I referred to previous bills and confirmed that the annual statement did, indeed, reflect the actual usage over the previous 12 months. The adviser still insisted that the direct debits could not be reduced.

    I then had a discussion wth a manager who suggested that the increased direct debits were to protect the customer from future price rises. After I pointed out that prices had only just risen substantially, I had used the new tariff details in my calculations and that the highest energy usage would be over the winter (now) the manager reluctantly agreed to reduce the direct debits by 15 per month.

    What is the point of these statements if the energy companies themselves ignore them?
  • Premier
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    • 16th Feb 11, 12:18 PM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 12:18 PM
    I think it is a lttle unfair to blame the layout or design issues.

    As the uswitch survey found 56% said they hadn't received one or failed to recognise they have had one.

    I have seen bills from all the major 6 suppliers (except possibly EDF) and they all have had the annual statement included. Some are particularly striking. e.g. British Gas includes it as a clearly marked separate sheet.

    It probably is true that about half those questioned probably didn't notice care. I'm convinced by the posts on MSE that many people do not read their bills fully - probably many just look to see how much they have been billed.

    Furthermore how many people have still never changed supplier? I thought that was about 50% so the results don't strike me as surprising. Those who have no interest in switching suppliers or otherwise ensuring they are on the best deal probably have no interest in reading the annual statement, and even if they did, probably forget about it as it is of no interest. All they want to know is how much do they owe the supplier.
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  • electric Bill
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    • 16th Feb 11, 5:41 PM
    anual statements
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    • 16th Feb 11, 5:41 PM
    i'm with scottish gas.. received my annual electric staement .. in fact i've received three.. two updated ones... didn't tell me how much i used at teir one and at teir two.. i am payg prepayment.. no way of checking how much i am charged at different teirs.. i did my own calculations and it appears my electricity has increased by 15% .. not 7%... it stated that if i used the same amount this year as i did last year i would be charged 'x' amount.. (don't have figures to hand).. the difference between last years cost and this years cost is 15% .. not 7%...
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    • By I luv cats 16th Feb 11, 5:52 PM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 5:52 PM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 5:52 PM
    I am lucky to get a statement and think I only get one fuel only.

    I use Ebico I-measure so I can keep track myself. I input meter readings every week, if you forget it will average out the missing week.

    It is really good as it gives you a running total, graphs, weekly spends, co2, energy rating etc.
    • davidgmmafan
    • By davidgmmafan 16th Feb 11, 6:22 PM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 6:22 PM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 6:22 PM
    I am inclined to agree with Premier. Whilst I regard this as a step in the right direction its only going to be useful to certain people. A lot of consumersneed to be educated to make good decision with regard to utilities. How this can be done I'm not sure.

    The number of people who demand a refund just prior to the onset of Winter confirms people don't understand how it works...
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    • fiendishlyclever
    • By fiendishlyclever 16th Feb 11, 8:48 PM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 8:48 PM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 8:48 PM
    Forget annual statements - all we want is transparency and prices we can compare easily.

    I changed supplier recently and comparing is a nightmare. They all charge varying prices for the first units supplied (the old standing charge) and then different prices for the remaining units.

    There should be some kind of standardisation so consumers can compare prices without the aid of a switching website or a complicated spreadsheet!

    But what do I know?
    • Dave save
    • By Dave save 16th Feb 11, 8:54 PM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 8:54 PM
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    • 16th Feb 11, 8:54 PM
    I never stay with one supplier long enough to actually qualify for an 'annual statement'!
    • davidgmmafan
    • By davidgmmafan 17th Feb 11, 1:21 PM
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    • 17th Feb 11, 1:21 PM
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    • 17th Feb 11, 1:21 PM
    Ironically a standing charge would make comparisons much easier if everyoneused them but customers don't like standing charges. See I knew it the customer is NOTalwaysright
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  • KimYeovil
    Ironically a standing charge would make comparisons much easier if everyoneused them but customers don't like standing charges. See I knew it the customer is NOTalwaysright
    Originally posted by davidgmmafan
    Standing charges would not make comparisons easier. I agree the customer is usually not right, though.
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