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    • LolaLemon
    • By LolaLemon 10th Jan 11, 2:48 PM
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    Maybe one day weíll take the Dubai route and see indoor ski-slopes, mammoth fountains, and other extravaganza making people want to centre their lives around malls.


    we already have the 'dubai' experience, its called Xscape
    http://www.xscape.co.uk/braehead
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    • BonandDom
    • By BonandDom 10th Jan 11, 3:07 PM
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    • 10th Jan 11, 3:07 PM
    Runcorn's shopping city - that brings back some memories, and not all of them good - Back in the eighties when I was in my teens and growing up there it was brilliant, could get lost for ages and the view driving in, surronded by the New Town estates was different to say the least. Anyone know if it's still there? - yep - apparently its called Halton lea now though

    I'm not a lover of "malls" - great when its cold and wet, but I for one generally feel less inclined to browse - not sure why. Much prefer to have the outside shops and brave the weather
    Last edited by BonandDom; 10-01-2011 at 3:38 PM.
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    • minerva_windsong
    • By minerva_windsong 10th Jan 11, 3:16 PM
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    Doesn't this 'outdoor mall' thing already exist over here in the form of Liverpool One? Looking at its website it seems to be an outdoor shopping mall in all but name...

    (ETA: At the risk of angering any forum Scousers, I love Liverpool One and much prefer it to indoor shopping malls!)
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    • BonandDom
    • By BonandDom 10th Jan 11, 3:39 PM
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    Whoa - I've just realised Martin and I grew up in the same ish area at the same time
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    • Comyface
    • By Comyface 10th Jan 11, 4:32 PM
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    Doesn't this 'outdoor mall' thing already exist over here in the form of Liverpool One? Looking at its website it seems to be an outdoor shopping mall in all but name...
    Originally posted by minerva_windsong
    I was just thinking that!
    Are the words 'I have a cunning plan' marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?
    • ScarletBea
    • By ScarletBea 10th Jan 11, 4:47 PM
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    I hate the word "mall", such an americanism.
    We've always called them "shopping centres", please don't change.
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    • globalds
    • By globalds 10th Jan 11, 5:00 PM
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    The main difference between a standard high street and an outdoor mall is the way it is managed.

    Hopping that random chance will put all the right types of business together in the right order and mix is going to produce more bad outcomes than good.

    shopping malls manage with a common agenda.
    I see nothing special in that and am quite surprised that more town centres haven't tried it.

    Something like Broad street in Birmingham.
    http://www.broadstreetbirmingham.com/
    Although more a night life and leisure district it is specific about what kind of tenants it wants and directs the efforts of all the independent businesses towards creating something all would hope to be part of, but unless directed would just have to hope for.
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    • 10th Jan 11, 8:47 PM
    New shopping centres
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    There are very few shopping centre developments that are going to be built. Although there was a large pipeline before the recession, many of these developments have been cancelled.
  • jamesd
    For an alternative to a pedestrianised high street shopping area there's also the Fremont Street (pictures) version in Las Vegas, which was done to compete with mega-casinos that were taking business form the traditional Vegas gambling strip. Probably too expensive to become common.

    I tend to avoid malls whenever viable, though it's hard in parts of the US, particularly in suburbia.
    Last edited by jamesd; 10-01-2011 at 8:58 PM.
    • thatguy1
    • By thatguy1 10th Jan 11, 9:03 PM
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    There are very few shopping centre developments that are going to be built. Although there was a large pipeline before the recession, many of these developments have been cancelled.
    Originally posted by theretaildatabase
    There is one opening later this year where I live. Was suppose to open last year, but the put the date back to spring 2011, now they put it back to autumn 2011 http://www.parkwaynewbury.com/

    It's not an actual covered 'shopping centre' it's outdoors.
    • Richard019
    • By Richard019 11th Jan 11, 7:01 AM
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    Maybe instead of "outdoor malls" we'll get more "indoor high streets".

    http://www.ststephens-hull.com/website/StandardPageD.aspx?currentSectionId=e16ae2ca-8370-4571-8471-82ed0d97ad55&contentInstanceId=cb1dfff5-dd37-44f8-b51f-a7e092a262ba
    • mikenolan
    • By mikenolan 11th Jan 11, 8:59 AM
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    Sounds a lot like Liverpool One and - in my opinion - it's opening has done a fantastic job of revitalising the city centre and providing a real alternative to places like the Trafford Centre. The new developments blend in with old streets seamlessly and it's provided the kick needed for other areas of the city to redevelop further.
    • Aidy
    • By Aidy 11th Jan 11, 9:10 AM
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    Liverpool One
    Originally posted by mikenolan
    that's something you don't hear very often in football terms now!!

    Back on track Milton Keynes also has a indoor ski slope attached to a smallish shopping centre / restaurants / cinema complex. - Xscape
    • the-mango
    • By the-mango 11th Jan 11, 9:48 AM
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    Doesn't this 'outdoor mall' thing already exist over here in the form of Liverpool One? Looking at its website it seems to be an outdoor shopping mall in all but name...

    (ETA: At the risk of angering any forum Scousers, I love Liverpool One and much prefer it to indoor shopping malls!)
    Originally posted by minerva_windsong
    Cabot Circus in Bristol is partially outside in that there are no doors to get in it, yet it is partially covered so no rain
    best of both\?
    • Nile
    • By Nile 11th Jan 11, 11:00 AM
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    All shopping malls and outlets look the same......................or they seem to.

    The high street, especially in small towns, has character.

    I'm not into designer anything at all or fashion trends, so I'm happy to buy out of fashion clothes at an outlet for a bargain price. I like the indoor versions (eg York Outlet) because I don't have to suffer the wind/rain/snow weather conditions.

    I don't like shopping at Meadowhall or the Metro Centre.............even though they're really big.............they make me feel claustrophobic.

    For me, one of the best reasons for avoiding the high street is the high cost of car parking.................that's if you can find a parking space.
  • katyboo123
    I am an absolute shop-a-holic, hence the reason I am now skint and a money saving Ďconvertí. Itís very true, shopping in a centre / mall like Metro Centre for example is a trip out for me. Iíve seen me spend 10 hours in one visit there, shopping, bowling, cinema, lunch, theme park (now closed down sadly, it was ace!). However, as much as I loved it there, with the recession and the cost of petrol / living, etc I am now relying more on my local high street than ever before. Past years have seen me go to the Metro Centre / Trafford Centre / Dalton Park, etc for part of my Christmas Shopping, then on to the Internet for other bits. But now, I canít afford to spend the P+P online, I canít afford the petrol to get me to the Metro Centre and I now have to make do with the High Street offerings. Plus itís a matter of time Ė Iím working two jobs to make ends meet, studying for a Masters and ebaying / hand making stuff every single spare minute I get! I suppose this will be the same for lots of people, unless they can reach a shopping ĎMallí cheaply and within a short distance, otherwise the local high street wins on convenience and cost!
    • epm-84
    • By epm-84 11th Jan 11, 12:03 PM
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    Doesn't this 'outdoor mall' thing already exist over here in the form of Liverpool One? Looking at its website it seems to be an outdoor shopping mall in all but name...
    Originally posted by minerva_windsong
    Yes Liverpool One is effectively what the Arndale Centre in Manchester would be like if it didn't have a roof and had concentre floors instead of vinyl floors. It even has outdoor escalators, which are very rare in the UK.

    I think this kind of idea would work well in seaside resorts. People flock there in good weather so are going to be more attracted to visit an outdoor mall opposed to an indoor shopping centre.
  • Hush-Puppy
    I find most shopping centres in Edinburgh are rather boring. They don't entice you into spending hours browsing, that's for sure. Even the much spoken-about Ocean Terminal - yes it's huge, but it feels empty, it's not easy to navigate and it's not very welcoming.

    I don't like these new entertainment 'malls' either. We have the Omni Centre, which has a gym, a Vue cinema, and lots of pubs & eateries. To me, it doesn't feel like a proper night out if you use the pubs & food places in there. I've done it twice, and wouldn't do it again. I only use the Omni for the easily-accesible cinema.

    Unless they have some sort of roof, I think the concept of an 'outdoor mall' is just ridiculous. Surely 'shopping hub' would be more accurate? What's wrong with 'city centre'?!!
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    • epm-84
    • By epm-84 11th Jan 11, 3:36 PM
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    Surely 'shopping hub' would be more accurate? What's wrong with 'city centre'?!!
    Originally posted by Hush-Puppy
    The term outdoor mall seems to come from the fact they have walkways upstairs as well as downstairs but then Chester city centre is historically like that.
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