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    • MSE Guy
    • By MSE Guy 6th Jan 10, 12:13 PM
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    MSE News: Bad weather chaos: your pay and travel rights
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    • 6th Jan 10, 12:13 PM
    MSE News: Bad weather chaos: your pay and travel rights 6th Jan 10 at 12:13 PM
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  • Chiddles
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    • 6th Jan 10, 6:10 PM
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    • 6th Jan 10, 6:10 PM
    My mother, who lives about 20mins drive from the airport, has booked a taxi to the airport for a flight leaving at 8.30am. The taxi firm said they will pick her up at 6am even though its a small airport and so you dont normally need to check in more than 30 mins beforehand. When she questioned this, they said they need to book it for this time to be certain they can get her there in time and that she could request a later time but there would be 'no come back' if she didnt make the flight. My question is: can you claim compensation from a taxi firm for a missed flight if they do not get you to the airport in time? Does it matter what the cause is i.e. their mistake vs bad weather?
    Thanks in advance.
    • Hintza
    • By Hintza 6th Jan 10, 6:18 PM
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    • 6th Jan 10, 6:18 PM
    I would very much doubt it, they arte not liable for any forward travel arrangements. You could always ask them but they would probably decline the fare. With this weather you want to allow as much time as possible and with increased security I think your mother is lucky they are only suggesting 6am.

    Edit:- In answering your post I have missed the last bus home and plan to hold you liable (you get the drift though)
  • bluejosiah
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    • 6th Jan 10, 7:51 PM
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    • 6th Jan 10, 7:51 PM
    My friend and I (who car share) didn't go to work today as we felt the roads were too bad to make the 10 mile drive. We live on a hill so the weather was worse and mentioned by name on the BBC website as being badly affected. The consequence was that it would be treated as Annual Leave. However I have found out that the company I work for encouraged those who were able to turn up to go home at 11am due to the weather worsening. They therefore worked 2 hours and do not have to take the 5 hours which they didn't work as Annual Leave. Do I have a case to put forward that I should only have to take 2 hours Annual Leave? Or even half a day?
    TIA
    • Hintza
    • By Hintza 7th Jan 10, 6:36 AM
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    • 7th Jan 10, 6:36 AM
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    • 7th Jan 10, 6:36 AM
    They therefore worked 2 hours and do not have to take the 5 hours which they didn't work as Annual Leave. Do I have a case to put forward that I should only have to take 2 hours Annual Leave? Or even half a day?
    TIA
    Originally posted by bluejosiah

    Sounds fair enough to me. Those that made the effort get the benefit, you didn't even try to get into work and you expect to get paid :confused:. Whilst the others that did make the effort have been rewarded for making the effort.
    • dudenstumpy
    • By dudenstumpy 7th Jan 10, 6:55 AM
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    • 7th Jan 10, 6:55 AM
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    • 7th Jan 10, 6:55 AM
    The incliment weather policy of the organisation I work for empowers line managers to let staff finish their shift early if a weather problem is worsening during the shift ( and could adverly effect the employee getting home ). There is nothing in the policy about how much time can be granted.


    Someone who can't get far from their home would be expected to either take leave or report to a nearer branch.

    Staff who live up hills would be expected to rise early and walk to the main roads.

    In 1995, a colleague walked 7 miles in the snow to start work at 7am. The same day, all 14 of the local primary school teachers did not report for work, leaving the headmaster to tell myself and scores of parents to " walk your kids home again"
    Last edited by dudenstumpy; 07-01-2010 at 6:59 AM.
    • Heliflyguy
    • By Heliflyguy 7th Jan 10, 9:55 AM
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    On radio4 PM show last night (5/01/2010) it was said that unless your contract of employment stated that you would not get paid for not coming to work due to adverse weather and your employer deducted money without your consent then it would be unlawful.
    I would imagine any demand that time be made up under the same circumstances would also need to be in the contract.
    It was also said that if you could not attend work because you had to care for your child because the school closed then again pay could not be taken away as it could be considered discrimination.
    Anyone wish to check can go to the iplayer and its at the 35 min mark.
    Were the company has a policy in place would this overide the employees contract?
    • Hintza
    • By Hintza 7th Jan 10, 10:20 AM
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    • 7th Jan 10, 10:20 AM
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    On radio4 PM show last night (5/01/2010) it was said that unless your contract of employment stated that you would not get paid for not coming to work due to adverse weather and your employer deducted money without your consent then it would be unlawful.
    I would imagine any demand that time be made up under the same circumstances would also need to be in the contract.
    It was also said that if you could not attend work because you had to care for your child because the school closed then again pay could not be taken away as it could be considered discrimination.
    Anyone wish to check can go to the iplayer and its at the 35 min mark.
    Were the company has a policy in place would this overide the employees contract?
    Originally posted by Heliflyguy
    If that is true it is hardly surprising that all the jobs are going abroad.

    Define adverse weather? Most people still have legs.
    • pompeyrich
    • By pompeyrich 7th Jan 10, 10:44 AM
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    If that is true it is hardly surprising that all the jobs are going abroad.

    Define adverse weather? Most people still have legs.
    Originally posted by Hintza
    Getting to work is a 20 mile round trip for me, I tried to get to work on tuesday, the slip road I use, off the M27, has a slight incline and cars, or rather some drivers, couldn't get up it, so abandoned their cars and completely jammed the exit. Luckily I was still queing on the main carriageway and drove to the next junction and turned back there. In the meantime my boss rang and told me not to bother trying to get in, so I went home, this futile journey, 25 miles with the enforced diversion took me over 5 hours. I would say that was adverse enough but I suppose I could have walked !!
    • Heliflyguy
    • By Heliflyguy 7th Jan 10, 11:34 AM
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    If that is true it is hardly surprising that all the jobs are going abroad.

    Define adverse weather? Most people still have legs.
    Originally posted by Hintza
    Why not google adverse weather yourself and exactly what jobs are going abroad due to bad weather payments of wages or lawful working conditions, maybe we should all resort to the same terms and conditions as an Indian sweat shop to keep you happy.
    I would say that you would have more trouble and would be in more danger walking than driving with the condition of the pavements and how far should somebody be expected to walk and then walk home again in the dark.
    • dudenstumpy
    • By dudenstumpy 7th Jan 10, 11:41 AM
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    [QUOTE Getting to work is a 20 mile round trip for me, but I suppose I could have walked !![/QUOTE]

    http://news.uk.msn.com/odd-news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=151645402

    This woman got up at 5am and walked 14 miles to work, you could have walked to your work in only 2 hours and 30 minutes.
    • geri1965
    • By geri1965 7th Jan 10, 12:03 PM
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    [QUOTE Getting to work is a 20 mile round trip for me, but I suppose I could have walked !!
    Originally posted by dudenstumpy
    http://news.uk.msn.com/odd-news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=151645402

    This woman got up at 5am and walked 14 miles to work, you could have walked to your work in only 2 hours and 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]

    Well, that would depend on levels of fitness. I walked to work yesterday and it took me just over an hour - not too bad, as it normally takes me 45-50 minutes anyway.

    I am 44 and reasonably fit - I would not have expected my mother to do it, or someone infirm/pregnant etc.

    There's no way I was walking today though as the snow has turned to ice and is much more hazardous. Luckily the buses were running this morning.
    • Heliflyguy
    • By Heliflyguy 7th Jan 10, 12:32 PM
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    [QUOTE Getting to work is a 20 mile round trip for me, but I suppose I could have walked !!
    Originally posted by dudenstumpy
    http://news.uk.msn.com/odd-news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=151645402

    This woman got up at 5am and walked 14 miles to work, you could have walked to your work in only 2 hours and 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]

    Doesnt mention walking home again in the dark though does it.
    • dudenstumpy
    • By dudenstumpy 7th Jan 10, 12:37 PM
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    Doesnt mention walking home again in the dark though does it.[/QUOTE]


    What about the dark ? it was dark for most of her morning walk
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 7th Jan 10, 1:05 PM
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    What about the dark ? it was dark for most of her morning walk
    Originally posted by dudenstumpy
    Is walking in the dark much more difficult? :confused:

    If you are worried about unsavoury people being around, rest assured that it will be too cold outside for them.
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    • Hintza
    • By Hintza 7th Jan 10, 1:21 PM
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    Why not google adverse weather yourself and exactly what jobs are going abroad due to bad weather payments of wages or lawful working conditions, maybe we should all resort to the same terms and conditions as an Indian sweat shop to keep you happy.
    I would say that you would have more trouble and would be in more danger walking than driving with the condition of the pavements and how far should somebody be expected to walk and then walk home again in the dark.
    Originally posted by Heliflyguy
    So you expect to get paid when you haven't done any work?
    :confused:
    • pompeyrich
    • By pompeyrich 7th Jan 10, 1:41 PM
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    [QUOTE Getting to work is a 20 mile round trip for me, but I suppose I could have walked !!
    Originally posted by dudenstumpy
    http://news.uk.msn.com/odd-news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=151645402

    This woman got up at 5am and walked 14 miles to work, you could have walked to your work in only 2 hours and 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]

    But I had already wasted 5 hours trying to get there, then a 3-4 hour walk, the Motorway route cuts of a large part of my journey, time I'd had my cuppa it would be time to come home again! Fair play to the woman for walking that far to work but when I initially set off there was only a flurry of snow, 20 mins later it was bedlam.
    • geri1965
    • By geri1965 7th Jan 10, 2:50 PM
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    Is walking in the dark much more difficult? :confused:
    Originally posted by KeithP
    Of course it is - it's harder to see where you are going. :rolleyes:
    • dudenstumpy
    • By dudenstumpy 7th Jan 10, 3:25 PM
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    [QUOTE
    when I initially set off there was only a flurry of snow, 20 mins later it was bedlam.[/QUOTE]

    After driving for 20 minutes you were probably well into your 10 mile journey. Once it became evident that the Bedlam might cause you to let down your employer, could you have parked your car and walked the rest of the way ?

    I last did this ( abandoning my car due to snow and walking the rest of the way to work ) in March 2006.
  • spajec
    what about small businesses?
    I run a small business and because of the weather there have been very few customers. The sales we have done have barely covered the electricity used to keep the place open.

    In these conditions I can hardly afford to pay the people that turn up let alone the ones that can't make it in. Our business is not the sort people can do at home or make up when the weather is better. Nor will the business lost be recovered.

    I'm not a tight !!!! living in a mansion nor am I a charity.
    I'm also worried how I will pay bills if the bad weather continues.
    At least I have happy children who have got a few extra days off school.
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