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Results: What is your Favorite time of Year to visit Las Vegas

January/February

4.62% • 6 votes

March

5.38% • 7 votes

April

17.69% • 23 votes

May

11.54% • 15 votes

June

3.08% • 4 votes

July

5.38% • 7 votes

August

8.46% • 11 votes

September

21.54% • 28 votes

October

16.92% • 22 votes

November/December

24.62% • 32 votes

You may not vote on this poll

130 votes in total.

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    • trets77
    • By trets77 29th Dec 07, 12:37 PM
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    The Las Vegas Thread and MSE guide
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    The Las Vegas Thread and MSE guide 29th Dec 07 at 12:37 PM
    LAS VEGAS


    .. is not like other places you might have been, where the Hotels are near to the attractions . in Vegas the Hotels are the attractions. most have a huge casino attached , but if you think thats all there is to the place , you are sorely mistaken .



    in a Family Fortunes style question if you asked 100 people something they associate with Las Vegas , I'd bet you my house the top answer would be "gambling". yet there is so much more.



    This page cannot hope to cover everything , but hopefully should point you towards some good money saving tips

    How to get there



    Las Vegas is 5235 miles from London , with flight times in the region of 10 hours +

    you could book a package from pretty much any online or high street travel agent that would include flights and hotels. however this is a money saving site so we try to beat those prices by booking things separately .Thats not to say a package deal might not be a cheaper option . it's easy to work out if a deal you have been quoted is value for money . If the price of the package (X) is more than the price of the flight via the Airline (A) + the Price of the Resort ( or similar quality resort) listed in the deal links below (B) then why not save money and book things separately .

    so please before you post the question " is this a good deal " please work out the following is X>A+B ? . if you are booking in advance there might not be a deal for your hotel yet , but you should be able to get a reasonable idea of prices by looking at current deals, but be sure to factor in any holidays / sporting events / big conventions ect.

    only three airlines at the time of writing operate direct flights to Las Vegas , and only one of those operates flights everyday and BMI will terminate their direct flights Easter 2009 .


    Virgin fly everyday from Gatwick airport .however be warned this flight is poor quality . the planes used (747's) are old and tatty with cramped uncomfortable seats arranged in a bad configuration . there are frequent tales of failing in seat entertainment, running out of drinks halfway over, long queues at check in ( especially on the return flight) and surly staff.

    Virgin's new Airbus A340's planes and service are excellent but they are not on the Las Vegas route , and they only highlight more how poor the older planes are. Because Virgin have a monopoly on direct flights to Las Vegas from the south of England , they can get away with this , while trading on the reputation and feedback of their better flights ( which are on routes where they do have direct competition) . There were rumors of the 747 planes being replaced in the near future ,but it seems the credit crunch has ended this for now.

    Make sure you take the Quidco cashback available if you book with Virgin

    BMI currently fly from Manchester on Tuesdays , but the service will cease Easter 2009 !!

    Thomas Cook (AKA My travel )fly Wednesdays and Saturdays in summer and Wednesdays only in Winter , again from Manchester. Max jet was operating flights but went bust xmas 2007

    (a note about Thomas Cook flights , the baggage allowance is a very poor 15kg ( upgradeable to 20kg) , and the flights in June + July may well see your flight stopping off at Belfast or Glasgow to pick passengers up , making them not much better than indirect flights that connect in a American city . prices for these flights often get lower the nearer to your dates you leave it until they sell out , but probably won't in Traditional summer holiday times ( June to early Sept) where they are nearly fully booked well in advance.

    should you consider flying indirect there are many choices available , and far too many to cover here, but please be sure you know what you are letting yourself in for . flying times direct are 10 hours plus . you can probably add a few hours on top of that flying indirect .

    Getting a good fare is not straightforward . Factors that can see you getting that good fare are
    Flexibility
    be prepared to travel mid week not at the weekends like everyone else.
    Preparation
    look into you flight upto 11 months before you fly if you can.
    Time of year
    most Brits like to take holidays June till September .
    Research
    asking advice to regular posters on this site .
    Airline Sales and Offers
    airlines know when people start thinking about booking trips , keeping very regular tabs on the airlines websites for sales and fare reductions is a good idea. also some airlines offer reduced fares for frequent flyer's and members of there flying clubs.MSE members have found good fares by booking before Xmas for the following year , when Xmas is over lots of people start planning their holidays.
    Risk
    great fares can be had if you a prepared to wait till very close to your chosen dates.

    before booking you should check that you qualify for entry to the USA under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) . Also from January 2009 you will need to obtain a ESTA ( Electronic System for Travel Authorization ) to board a flight to the USA . you can find info on ESTA here . you can apply for one here

    Where to stay

    The Strip is where most visitors tend to stay , a few casinos worth staying at are slightly off strip and usually have a free shuttle bus to and from the strip.the other main area is called Downtown, where the standard of accommodation is lower ( and cheaper ) than most of the strip.



    if your a first time visitor you really should try to stay on the strip if your budget allows . you can then check out the other areas to see if you would consider them on a return visit.




    A common posted question on the old Las Vegas thread was "where is nice but reasonably priced ". It is a hard question to answer. none of the main strip hotels are likely to make it on to a " Hotels from Hell" show on ITV, but you do get what you pay for. a good starting place is to look at the following link

    http://www.vegas.com/resorts/

    anything with a Four star rating is unlikely to displease the Vast majority of people . but a fair few people will probably be happy with something in the Three star bracket and consider the hotel to be nice.

    A word of warning about using Tripadvisor to pick your hotel. there are nearly 300 hotels reviewed on the site meaning good hotels can end up way down the list in the 30's 40's and below . Also the site lists hotels that are in the Las Vegas area , but no where near the strip. South point for example is listed as 8th best reviewed hotel , and is on Las Vegas Boulevard but it is about a 15 min car ride to the heart of strip and is not walkable in any circumstances .

    The Hotels on the strip to most wary about are unsurprisingly the cheapest. They are Circus Circus , The Stratosphere , The Rivera , Sahara , The IP , Excalibur ,Hooters and The Tropicanna . post for some advice before booking


    There is no set price for the majority of hotel rooms . it's a myth that rooms are given away for next to nothing. rooms are priced on a supply and demand basis . if the hotel is selling rooms at a high price why discount? but if they are not then there is no money to be made from empty rooms.



    prices for your hotel room can vary day to day , let alone week to week. Normal Friday and Saturday night prices are always more expensive than normal weekday prices ( upto 3 times as expensive is not unusual) . other things that can have a big impact on the price you pay to stay at your preferred location are.

    Big sporting events
    Super bowl weekend in January for example or the Rodeo finals at the start of December, March Madness basketball which starts on the 20th in 2008.. also Big Boxing matches

    Large Conventions
    Events like the The Consumer electronics show , can have 150,000 attending . here is a calendar to try to avoid large convention dates http://www.lasvegastourism.com/conventions_jan.htm

    USA public holidays
    19 Jan Martin Luther King Day.
    16 Feb Presidents' Day.
    25 May Memorial Day.
    4 Jul Independence Day.
    7 Sep Labor Day.
    12 Oct Columbus Day.
    11 Nov Veterans' Day.
    26 Nov Thanksgiving Day

    also special events like Halloween etc can push prices up.

    Popular times
    a lot of this has to do with the weather . July and August are often disliked because of the intense heat. January and December are also quite months ( pools often close down in October till March ) . That said Las Vegas is a year round destination. Many consider the best months to visit as April, May , Sept , and October . Prices for UK flights in traditional UK holiday months of June to Early Sept always seem to much more expensive than April or May ( excluding bank holidays and Easter of course) , yet April and May are better times to visit . By not going in the Traditional UK holiday season , you could save a considerable amount of money on your flight, meaning more money to spend on your hotel.


    finding a good deal on a room usually only requires a small amount of searching. Booking through the Hotels direct has BIG advantages . first you are cutting out the middleman . second all of the hotels operate the same booking policy, that you only need to pay your first nights rate as a deposit and the deposit is 100% refundable if you cancel upto 72 hours before you stay. this is generally the rule with all hotel offers but there are exceptions . Some Luxor offers and other MGM group owned casinos ,offers have recently have been NO REFUND offers and The Rivera charges a small cancellation fee at the time of writing. be sure to check all terms and Conditions before you book to be sure .Offers can become available any time , but generally start appearing 12 weeks before your dates

    There are several websites that list offers and discounts for hotels. remember these sites simply list the deals that Casinos release so there is no need for a flashy website.Unless stated the offers usually take you to a direct booking with the Casino
    http://www.vegas-promotions.com/ is a good place to start as it lists offers in date and/or hotel order . and it's sister site http://www.vegashotelhunt.com/ which allows you to type in your travel dates to search all the deals available .

    the next link you should check is the Fatwallet deals thread . there is very handy round up of all casinos current offers on the 1st page as well
    http://www.fatwallet.com/t/63/704925/10193203#m10193203

    Other sites to check out are

    http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13

    http://www.openvegas.com/vegas/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17

    http://www.vegashotelspecial.com/

    http://www.harrahs.com/hot-deals/

    http://www.vegas-hotels-online.com/

    http://casinotripreports.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3ccf0aabc1ad93b1d7868846e86c67 3e&topic=57.90

    http://www.smartervegas.com/

    http://www.earlyvegas.com/promo_codes.html

    please be careful about posting on these boards though as some are for the posting of deals only , not for questions on deals etc.


    some deals say they require you to be a member of the Players club to book. usually if you can book it without a players club ID, then they won't generally ask for it at check in.
    FAQ number 4 on the Fatwallet page (http://www.fatwallet.com/t/63/704925/10193203#m10193203) covers this subject well. but the important thing is NOT to bombard the hotel with phone calls and e mails about honoring the booking without a players club card. otherwise they might pull the offer ect ( or tip them off to very thing you are concerned about) . people on this thread have done these type of bookings without being signed up members .. no problem .you can of course join the club before checking in if you want . personally i would not worry , but don't be tempted to call the hotel if you book it and you are worried

    when you have found and booked a hotel , it's a good idea to keep checking the new offers as they come in on the Fatwallet Thread as you might find a better deal for the same dates . If the better offer is for the same hotel , you can probably get the hotel to match the better price under your existing booking by calling them up ( don't forget to use the MSE International call checker !!) . Really good offers may not hang around if there is a lot of interest , so get in early if you see a new one thats a great deal .

    Moving hotels is also a good idea if you find great deals for different blocks of nights , and is not as much hassle as you might think.

    Some people ask if it is better to find a hotel when you arrive , this is most defiantly not a good idea. besides the fact that you need to have your 1st nights stay booked up , to enter the USA under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) , simply showing up at a casino without a booking will almost certainly mean you being charged "Rack Rate " for a room , which is pretty much the most you can end up paying.

    Arrival


    McCarren Airport is right next to the strip . Shuttle Buses operate to all the main casinos . A Taxi is by far the most popular way to get to your hotel though. you can find a good estimate of the fare to your Hotel here http://www.taxi.state.nv.us/FaresFees.htm
    if your hiring a car you will find directions clearly posted at the airport.
    If you really want to arrive in style why not rent a Limo from the airport , they cost around $50 a hour. If you share with someone off your flight it may work out as much as a Taxi

    Check in
    you can check in from the airport at some Casinos.
    when you check in the clerk will will assign you a room . some rooms of the same class are more desirable than others. Strip Views are always more sought after , as are corner rooms or rooms overlooking a casino attraction ( the Bellagio fountains for example) . also try to get a room that is not situated directly next to a elevator.you should try to do as much research on the rooms within your casino as possible to find out what to ask for

    Cash is King is Las Vegas.. the following sites give advice on how to try and obtain a upgrade or a better positioned room by tipping the check in clerk using The $20 Trick.This works more often than not , but you may find it harder to get a upgrade by doing this if you have a long stay, or if the hotel is fully booked .Also don't expect to get a Penthouse suite from a standard room booking , you will probably only get one or two steps up the luxury ladder

    http://www.frontdesktip.com/

    http://www.thetwentydollartrick.com/

    http://vegasuncovered.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/las-vegas-20-free-room-upgrade-trick/

    regardless of if you tip of not , if your not happy with the room , complain and get one you are happy with.


    Getting around
    If hiring a car you will have the choice of parking it yourself at the hotel( usually free) or using the Valet service ( a tip is usually given for Valet). The strip is very busy at most times traffic wise .Hiring a car gives you the freedom to explore the many great places to visit around Las Vegas , Like Lake Mead and The Hoover Dam for example , while being able to hop around the strip easily and cheaply


    Taxis are good option for speed and convenience , but cost more than the other methods of getting around the strip. also you cannot flag them down either , you have to get them called for you from the Casino or designated pick up areas .

    The Deuce is the local 24 hour bus service and is pretty reasonable.


    $5 is all it costs for a 24 hour pass up and down the strip. be warned though the buses fill up at popular mid strip locations and make it hard to get on at busy times.


    The Monorail runs from MGM Grand to The Sahara .


    full list of prices can be found here http://www.lvmonorail.com/ride/ticket_info/. while it is certainly fast, clean and comfortable ,the downside is that you have to walk through which ever casino you get off at. Casinos are designed to be difficult places to escape , so it can be a trek to get back to the strip. if your going less than a mile your probably better off walking.

    Strip Trolleys are cheap at $2.50 a ride or $4.50 for a all day pass. however they don't run 24 hours , are not the most comfy ride , and tend to drop you at the back and sides of casinos http://www.striptrolley.com

    There are also 2 free to ride Monorails . One connects The Mirage with Treasure Island. The Other one connects The Excalibur , Luxor and Mandalay Bay. This one has a interesting set up . If you catch it at The Excalibur it does not stop at the Luxor heading south. The Casino owners don't want you skipping Mandalay Bay , so it only stops at the Luxor on the return North journey .
    Eating
    There are hundreds upon hundreds of places to eat in Las Vegas. It would be impossible to scratch the surface in terms of recommendations on this Post.


    Las Vegas provides pretty much every price range of food , from practically every type of world cuisine. from headline super pricey Celebrity chefs to cheap pile em high buffets ( and everything in between ) , you will find it in Vegas. so where do you choose to eat ??
    Your casino will almost certainly have more than a few places to eat at. But bare in mind the casino has a captive market so in house restaurants are often more expensive than independent/ off site restaurants . a good resource for dining options is a well researched guide book . i recommend "The Unofficial Guide To Las Vegas " it gives great tips on dining. or you can also find info and deals on this site www.restaurant.com



    There are still great deals to be had on food if your prepared to search them out. although some deals come and go , a few have been running for many years and should be around when you visit.

    $6.95 steak dinner at Ellis Island
    It's long been a table topper in Las Vegas Advisor's top 10 Vegas Values. a 10 oz Steak with salad , beans and choice of Potato . it's isn't actually on the menu though , you have to ask for it.available 24/7 . Ellis Island also does a highly rated BBQ for a mere $8.99. and thats not all, you can get a voucher for 2 for 1 meals @ Ellis island from either of the coupon books listed in the coupon section below.

    Shrimp Cocktail 99c at Golden Gate
    served from 11am till 2am

    Pasta at California Casino
    at the Pasta Pirate Restaurant

    Breakfast Specials $1.49
    served at Wild Wild West , Wildfire , Gold rush and Magic star. 12 am till 11 am

    Steak and Eggs $3.29
    at Arizona Charlie's Decatur . 24/7



    The most famous of dining options in Las Vegas are the Buffets . for a set price you can eat and drink as much as you want from the food selection available . Again you can choose from the Bargain to the expensive. don,t expect to find a small selection of food , Most buffets offer a huge choice of dishes. The Cravings Buffet in the Mirage for Example has many different stations from around the world , where food can also be cooked to order. Nearly all the Strip casinos have a buffet and it is unlikely you are either going to feel short changed or not find something you enjoy at nearly all of them. From the many many reviews i have read ( and of course the ones i have been too ) a few buffets come up time and time again with top marks. they are

    Planet Hollywood ( previously The Aladdin ) Spice market Buffet.
    Bellagio Buffet
    Paris Le Village Buffet
    Mirage Cravings Buffet
    Rio Carnival world Buffet
    Wynn Buffet
    Dishes @ T.I

    You will probably be pleased with the quality of most of the other Buffets on the Strip , however like the above certain Buffets Constantly get Bad reviews . there isn't enough time to get around the one's that get good reviews , let alone wasting time with ones that get regularly moaned about IMO. The buffets that most get moaned about are.
    Circus Circus
    Excalibur
    Sahara
    Last edited by trets77; 31-12-2008 at 12:07 PM.
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  • TangoBunny
    Meant to say as well.....I wonder how much Vegas has changed since I was there last.....Nov 2007 seems ages away.....What was the name of that new hotel that was under construction opposite PH
    LORRAINE
    • wdyw
    • By wdyw 31st Dec 08, 11:21 AM
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    wdyw
    Meant to say as well.....I wonder how much Vegas has changed since I was there last.....Nov 2007 seems ages away.....What was the name of that new hotel that was under construction opposite PH
    Originally posted by TangoBunny
    Are you thinking about the four new city center condo hotels or the new PH tower? Vdara, Mandarin, Harmon, Veer are the City center constructions
    • nvh
    • By nvh 31st Dec 08, 11:23 AM
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    nvh
    that was all part of the City Center thing wasn't? it was due for completion in 2009... not sure if the dreaded 'credit crunch' is slowing it down though...

    www.citycenter.com

    • chirpy007
    • By chirpy007 31st Dec 08, 11:33 AM
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    Finally put together a trip report from October (terribly behind, I am)...for anyone who is interested it's here (and it's loooooong)...wanted to get as much down as I could after all this time as much for the in-laws as for us.

    http://www.slotgolf.com/vegas/October2008.html
    Originally posted by ferf1223
    Suberb report, thank you. Im really looking forward to my November trip
    • SimbaK2K
    • By SimbaK2K 31st Dec 08, 12:11 PM
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    Just to give you a bit more info (though it seems you've made your mind up ), I think it will probably cost between $10 + $15 dollars each 'trip' in the taxi (depending where you go on the strip), meaning if you go to the strip in the morning, then come back later in the day, then go out again in the evening, then come back from your evening out, that will cost you $50'ish for the day in taxi fares ~ 35(?)

    I've only been up near the strat once though to be honest (not much that interested us around there but we had a nice meal up at the top and a look around, before heading downtown).

    Just don't wanna see you guys narked cos you're sat in traffic on the strip all the time (or you're getting propelled over speedbumps at 100mph as they take the backstreet routes )
    Originally posted by nvh
    Thanks for the info. Its only cost 200 for the hotel and at the moment, a lot of hotels haven't got there prices this far in advance. I'll stick with what I got for now however if nearer time a more central hotel comes up thats just as good value I'll just change it either through expedia or just cut my losses and run! We were planning on getting married out there so it would be nice to have a little luxury but can't be too choosy on a budget.
  • TangoBunny
    Are you thinking about the four new city center condo hotels or the new PH tower? Vdara, Mandarin, Harmon, Veer are the City center constructions
    Originally posted by wdyw
    God knows what it was they were building it was on the opposite side of the strip from MGM.......LOOKED MASSIVE but I'm sure the taxi driver said it was a hotel but I maybe wrong.
    LORRAINE
  • TangoBunny
    There's a medium-sized convention (50,000) the 18th to 20th, so room rates for the 17th, 18th and 19th are quite a bit higher than the Sunday-Tuesday of the weeks before and after...just in case that makes a difference.
    Originally posted by ferf1223
    Thanks Ferf

    Think I may go with May 5th -15th in that case it will still be nice and hot
    As we will be travelling to LGW the night before by train then we cant travel up on a sunday as train times are pants so we will have to go on the Mon which means a Tuesday flight because we have to think of coming back as well.....we need to come back into the country on a Fri or Sat because again train times home on a Sun will again be limited....so that will work out nicely
    Travel up to Gatwick on 4th May,fly out to vegas on 5th.....return flight on Fri 15th land on Sat and train home on 16th........sorted
    LORRAINE
    • duchy
    • By duchy 31st Dec 08, 12:53 PM
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    If you want to keep prices down by avoiding mid -strip take a look at the Orleans. It's off strip but runs a free frequent shuttle to the Strip. It's a nice hotel, good pool. loads of eating choices from buffet/coffee shop to a nice steak place and an oyster bar but at more reasonable prices than the Strip. Also has a multiplex cinema and a 70 lane ten pin bowling centre as well as a showroom (mainly retro big names like Neil Sedaka, The Osmonds, Four Tops that kind of act) Rooms are huge with a seperate sofa/sitting area. Personally I'd always choose it over the Strat. I've seen rates as low as $25 recently there and I've never paid more than $80 for a peak weekend night there. Take a look at the reviews on www.tripadvisor.com and compare the two-you may find it interesting.
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    • sew109
    • By sew109 31st Dec 08, 12:58 PM
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    Thanks for the info. Its only cost 200 for the hotel and at the moment, a lot of hotels haven't got there prices this far in advance. I'll stick with what I got for now however if nearer time a more central hotel comes up thats just as good value I'll just change it either through expedia or just cut my losses and run! We were planning on getting married out there so it would be nice to have a little luxury but can't be too choosy on a budget.
    Originally posted by SimbaK2K
    I have no idea where you are looking at prices but most hotels have the prices overa year in advance though the really good offers usually come in within 12 weeks of arrival. The smart thing to do is book a room direct with the hotel and you only pay the first night as a deposit and that is fully refundable and then look for an offer within teh 12 weeks, this is why it is smart to book the hotel and the flight seperatly. We have just had 6 nights at Venetian (over a weekend) for about 350ish, using this process we probably could ahve stayed at EXcalibur for around 130 - 150 and around 200 ish at Luxor.

    Yes its (the hotel) cheap but the holiday is not cheap so it does not really make sense to me to skimp by staying at a poor hotel in an even worse location this wil cost you in the long run both in time waiting for cabs or worse for the deuce and in money for the transport. I honestly hope that you are happy with your choice and the only reason I give advice is to hopefully make other peoples trips better and I of course have no problem if you dont want to take my advice wht so ever as long as I feel I have enlightened you to what to expect.

    Oh just one idea if you budget is that tight why not split your hotel spend a few nighst downtoen Binions for example cheap as chips but right on Fremont street OK the actual hotel is on a par with Strat but the downtown experince is fun and everything from table limits to drinks to food is much cheaper than the Strip and the Strat for that matter and use the money that you save to stay at a better location on the Strip.
    Its Vegas time -no longer a five year old has changed Vegas time to Orlando time
    • sew109
    • By sew109 31st Dec 08, 1:03 PM
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    If you want to keep prices down by avoiding mid -strip take a look at the Orleans. It's off strip but runs a free frequent shuttle to the Strip. It's a nice hotel, good pool. loads of eating choices from buffet/coffee shop to a nice steak place and an oyster bar but at more reasonable prices than the Strip. Also has a multiplex cinema and a 70 lane ten pin bowling centre as well as a showroom (mainly retro big names like Neil Sedaka, The Osmonds, Four Tops that kind of act) Rooms are huge with a seperate sofa/sitting area. Personally I'd always choose it over the Strat. I've seen rates as low as $25 recently there and I've never paid more than $80 for a peak weekend night there. Take a look at the reviews on www.tripadvisor.com and compare the two-you may find it interesting.
    Originally posted by duchy
    I am sorry Duchy but in my opinion Orleans is no better a bet than Stratosphere it is a locals casino and whilst it may be OK for the Vegas veteran its not a good place for a first time trip, its just not Vegas. I found the crowd in there at weekends downtrodden locals (similar to Palace statio) and the casino dull the only saving grace is the free shuttle but it does not run 24/7.
    Its Vegas time -no longer a five year old has changed Vegas time to Orlando time
    • pebblesmax
    • By pebblesmax 31st Dec 08, 1:14 PM
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    The Orleans rooms are very nice. They have some nice restaurants too.

    I'd choose Orleans over the Stratosphere every time. I don't think you really need to stay on the strip for a first trip to get the true feeling of Vegas. Just my opinion.
    • trets77
    • By trets77 31st Dec 08, 1:37 PM
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    trets77
    The new 2009 thread is up !!

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=17158927#post17158927

    this thread will now be closed .


    Happy new year


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