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    • kittie
    • By kittie 5th Feb 06, 2:23 PM
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    kittie
    If things get tougher?
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    • 5th Feb 06, 2:23 PM
    If things get tougher? 5th Feb 06 at 2:23 PM
    The Most Destructive Habit............................................. ...........WORRY
    The Greatest Joy............................................... .............................GIVING
    The Greatest Loss.............................................. ........................LOSS of SELF RESPECT
    The Most Satisfying Work.............................................. ..........HELPING OTHERS
    The Ugliest Personality Trait............................................. .....SELFISHNESS
    The Most Endangered Natural Resource............................OUR YOUTH
    The Greatest ‘Shot in the Arm’............................................ .. ..ENCOURAGEMENT
    The Greatest Problem to Overcome........................................FE AR
    The Most Effective Sleeping Pill.............................................. PEACE of MIND
    The Most Crippling Failure Disease......................................EXCUS ES
    The Most Powerful Force of Life.............................................. LOVE
    The Most Dangerous Pariah............................................ ........A GOSSIPER
    The World's Most Incredible Computer................................THE BRAIN
    The Worst Thing to be Without........................................... ......HOPE
    The Deadliest Weapon............................................ .....................THE TONGUE
    The Two Most POWER-FILLED Words...................................‘I CAN’
    The Greatest Asset............................................. ..............................FAITH
    The Most Worthless Emotion........................................... ...........SELF-PITY
    The Most Beautiful Attire............................................ ............. ..‘A SMILE’
    The Most Prized Possession........................................ ................INTEGRITY
    The Most Powerful Channel of Communication is a...........HEART to HEART’
    The Most Contagious Spirit............................................ .............ENTHUSIASM
    The Most Important Thing in Life.............................................. LOVE
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    • Magentasue
    • By Magentasue 15th Jun 08, 4:35 PM
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    Magentasue
    We've just started making our own wine again ager a gap of about 15 yrs when looking after children left us no time. As we drink at least a bottle a night this will give us a huge saving. Even buying 3 for 10 in Asda we are spending aroung 100 a month, and I reckon the same amount of HM will cost us about 20.

    I make it from ordinary carton fruit juices and it's fab (not to mention stronger that the stuff int eh shops!)

    Anybody wants to have a go I'll post our cheap and easy recipe.
    Originally posted by jennyjelly
    Yes please - red preferred!
  • ceridwen


    I've turned the AGA - which is now costing 50- 60 a month to run - OFF for the summer - I've set up a kitchen camp in the garden, consisting of a Gas Barbeque, with a ring burner, and my twin ring camping stove....we have a couple of bottles of gas knocking about...but even when they are replaced it think it will still be cheaper than running the AGA. I've rigged up a tarpaulin cover, so I can still use it when it rains...



    Regards

    Kate
    Originally posted by katieowl
    C..r..i..k..e...y! Now that is what I call moneysaving! Whew! Wondering if you have contemplated a solar oven then? I was thinking "if the worst comes to the worst..maybe I could have a go at making one of them". I wonder if they work in this country - with our lower level of sunlight. I know Californians, for instance, use them. I have seen them mentioned on various survivalist websites and they feature on the YouTube clip about the Dervaes family I mention in my entry on my blog today. I think its always worth thinking of ways one can take oneself "Off the Grid" these days.
    • jennyjelly
    • By jennyjelly 15th Jun 08, 5:03 PM
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    jennyjelly
    Wine recipe as requested, and it's really simple.

    You'll probably be best to make 2 gallons at a time, unless you want to drink the leftover half carton of grape juice - personally I'd rather drink it after it's fermented!

    Into each sterilised demijohn put 1 litre of cranberry juice and 1/2 litre grape juice (red or white, it doesn't matter). The very cheapest you can find will do.

    Dissolve 1kg sugar in 2 pints water in a pan. Turn off the heat as soon as it is clear, no need to boil. When it's cool enough so that it won't crack the glass, pour it into the demijohn, then top up to the middle of the curved 'shoulder' with cold water. Add 1 level tsp each of pectolase, citric acid and yeast nutrient and shake. Stick a bung & fermantation lock in the top and leave in a warm room for 24 hours, then add the yeast, shake again and leave it to ferment the same as with the expensive kits. Then just clear, filter etc as you would with any wine. I never bother bottling, just keep it in a spare demijohn and pour into a decanter. It doesn't hang around so chances of it going off are minimal!

    You can make this with practically any carton fruit juice, our favourites are cranberry & red grape juice for a good red, apple and white grape juice for a white. I don't recommend using orange juice, we thought it was ugh. I reckon this costs a max of 70p per bottle and it's lush.

    Good luck, and don't forget to post the results (if you are sober enough!)
    Oh dear, here we go again.
  • zarazara
    more things listed on freecycle
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  • CoD
    Katieowl- fab idea, we have a stanley and are trying to keep it off except if i'm baking cakes/ a roast, i've found my small george and electric steamer brilliant instead, pasta and rice cooked in steamer with veg and fish, sausages/ bacon/ potatoes cooked on george. microwave is also used for quick sponges, reheating, cooking eggs, etc.

    jennyjelly love the use of cranberry juice,will try that next time. i do make orange juice wine with one carton of the value orange and then i make grape concentrate by soaking raisins in boiling water for a few hours then adding to the must, once cleared and racked it tastes like a really decent chardonnay in 3-4 weeks. not sure if the type of OJ makes a difference? i wouldn't use one with bits and prefer the longlife one as it's cheaper!
  • champys
    Last week Mr Electricite de France paid us back 75 Euros which means our power saving efforts over last year have paid off! They look almost exactly like Kittie's posted a little earlier in this thread, with the addition of using the Remoska much more than the oven. But I fear the amount saved over last year will probably be lost again on electricity price hikes in the year to come.... still it is good to see some real results. Meal planning is also working a treat, and with jennyjelly's recipe for wine we'll have a go at making this year's plum glut into plum wine. Not that the price of wine is prohibitive yet in France, but it is heavy to bring back in your bicycle panniers :-)
    • kittie
    • By kittie 16th Jun 08, 5:08 AM
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    kittie
    what shines through here is the positive mental attitude and the willingness to go with the flow. We will survive and will help others to survive if we suppport each other the old fashioned way

    I was thinking about the absolute bottom line re cooking and it has to be a great pan of thick pea or lentil soup cooked in a pressure cooker, which I already own. This would do for 3 days. Bread mixed and raised by hand and baked in the remoska. I actually made bread in the remoska last night, baked for 20 minutes and it was/is truly scrumptious. We could live on that. I haven`t used the oven since I bought the remoska as it has been so successful for casseroles, cakes, bread, baked apples etc

    It will be a miracle if energy costs stay below £100 next quarter but I have my fingers crossed.
    • elona
    • By elona 16th Jun 08, 7:24 AM
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    elona
    What about the old idea of "hay box " cooking?

    Get a pot of stew or soup etc really hot at the start of cooking then put it in a cool box lined with polystyrene- or wrap in a blanket with a "space blanket" on top, tightly bound - eave for about six or eight hours and it should be cooked.

    It is like a non electric slow cooker.

    We have been having a couple of power cuts where we live so I have ordered a set of 10 solar lights from Woolworths (in the sale at £19.99 instead of £80!) The lights can charge up outside then be taken inside as nightlights if needed. Should be cheaper than torches and batteries and safer than candles.
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    • bellaquidsin
    • By bellaquidsin 16th Jun 08, 7:29 AM
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    Ooo Kittie, bread made in the Remoska, I've been wondering about that. I have the medium sized Remoska, would that be big enough? If so could you please post your instructions?

    Thanks in anticipation,
    Bella.
    A man's life consisteth not in the abundance of things which he possesseth. Luke 12 v 15
    • Sarahsaver
    • By Sarahsaver 16th Jun 08, 9:04 AM
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    Sarahsaver
    We are growing peas, beans, spinach, peppers, chillies and herbs, tomatoes, gooseberries, redcurrants, all in a smallish inner city garden.
    I dont think i can go to 30degree washing cos my boys wet the bed and low temp washing doesnt get rid of the smell of wee
    For the same reason unless its a v hot day I can not get the undersheets dry on the line, so still use the drier for those.
    I have not noticed our food bill go up actually as we cook 99% from scratch, and get fruit from the market, like 1 for 10 peaches. Veg comes from a fortnightly veg delivery (10) then toopped up with economy frozen peas, tinned sweetcorn, frozen spinach til the stuff in the garden is big enough!
    Local shop has milk for 1.50 6 pints, and their free range eggs are cheaper than tescos, 95p for 6.
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  • Tashja
    Hi all

    Things are getting tougher but I am hanging on in there and getting some food stocks together

    At the risk of sounding slightly daft please could someone tell me what a Remoska is ??? Just looking in to various ways which I could save electricity and gas.

    T xx
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    • taurusgb
    • By taurusgb 16th Jun 08, 9:07 AM
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    taurusgb
    Ooo Kittie, bread made in the Remoska, I've been wondering about that. I have the medium sized Remoska, would that be big enough? If so could you please post your instructions?

    Thanks in anticipation,
    Bella.
    Originally posted by bellaquidsin
    Hi Bella
    I haven't tried ordinary bread in my (new) remoska yet, but I have tried focaccia and it is fantastic.... I just mixed the dough in my panny, then pressed it into shape in the remoska pan, put the lid on and left it for a couple of hours, then turned it on and WOW it tasted fabtastic. Was also more money saving because I didn't need any oiled cling film to cover the dough whilst it was rising.
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    • Sarahsaver
    • By Sarahsaver 16th Jun 08, 9:10 AM
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    Sarahsaver
    Hi all

    Things are getting tougher but I am hanging on in there and getting some food stocks together

    At the risk of sounding slightly daft please could someone tell me what a Remoska is ??? Just looking in to various ways which I could save electricity and gas.

    T xx
    Originally posted by Tashja
    go to www.lakeland.co.uk and they sell them.
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    • kittie
    • By kittie 16th Jun 08, 9:36 AM
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    kittie
    taurus that is the bread I made. I think it took 1lb 2 oz flour and any old recipe will do. I baked 20 mins and it was awesome. I am completely happy baking hm rolls in it now and it was great for cooking that part baked bread that was on offer in tescos. I just tore them in half to fit the pan

    I was thinking about the things I do automatically and this morning there were 2 things that were energy saving: I have a small portable induction hob and I pulled it out and made soup on it. The whole cooking process started immediately so the total time was 20 mins cooking. On the gas hob it would have taken a fair bit longer because the pan has to heat up first. I wanted to steam broad beans for salad, for 10 mins so used the steamer on top of the soup

    I had some clean washing up water in the sink bowl so I left it in to rinse my hands, just to get the sticky off after doing veg and later, fruit. I think in the past I would have just run the tap

    Timers are also important: I set the induction hob on a timer and it turned itself off. If I don`t use a timer then I cook longer than needed and so I waste energy

    remoska was from lakeland and I have the standard one. Everything I have cooked in it has turned out to perfection. I may just put a socket timer on this because it only has an on/off switch, for safety and energy-saving
  • exlibris
    I dont think i can go to 30degree washing cos my boys wet the bed and low temp washing doesnt get rid of the smell of wee
    For the same reason unless its a v hot day I can not get the undersheets dry on the line, so still use the drier for those.
    Originally posted by Sarahsaver
    My boys wet the bed until they were 7 so I can sympathize. (medical connections I understand)

    I used mattress protectors, a bottom sheet and then a layer of waterproof material (plastic then but there may be more modern stuff now) with a smaller draw sheet where they lay. (old cut down material). Most times only the draw sheet was wet and needed changing daily but they were much smaller than a full sheet. We had no pull-ups etc so I had 2 pairs of PJs to wash daily as well.

    HTH
  • champys
    Was also more money saving because I didn't need any oiled cling film to cover the dough whilst it was rising.
    Originally posted by taurusgb
    taurusgb - I do not know what the trick is with using oiled clingfilm, but whenever I have tried it to cover rising dough it sticks to it and I can't get it off, however much I oil it. I have since devised a system where I place a piece of chicken wire in a low-ish arch over the baking tray covered with a damp tea towel while the dough rises. Come to think of it, that is money saving too!
    • JackieO
    • By JackieO 16th Jun 08, 10:41 AM
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    JackieO
    What about the old idea of "hay box " cooking?

    Get a pot of stew or soup etc really hot at the start of cooking then put it in a cool box lined with polystyrene- or wrap in a blanket with a "space blanket" on top, tightly bound - eave for about six or eight hours and it should be cooked.

    It is like a non electric slow cooker.

    We have been having a couple of power cuts where we live so I have ordered a set of 10 solar lights from Woolworths (in the sale at 19.99 instead of 80!) The lights can charge up outside then be taken inside as nightlights if needed. Should be cheaper than torches and batteries and safer than candles.
    Originally posted by elona
    I can remember using this method back in the early 1970s when we had so many power cuts It does work very well.I used a cardboard box fully lined with screwed up newspapers .and packed the papers as tight as I could all around my casserole dish, then I put a folded up blanket on the top and around it an old duvet .My neighbour said if you can't feel any warmth on the outside then its working o.k.
    I used to make a large casserole to last us two days.
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    • Sarahsaver
    • By Sarahsaver 16th Jun 08, 10:44 AM
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    My older ds it is medical , he has a bladder scan soon
    Due to his eczema and athsma his waterproof undersheet cannot be plastic (makes him too hot and itchy), the only thing I have found doesnt aggravate him is an organic cotton coated rubber sheet which as you can imnagine quite hefty, and itself cost a bit. Just as well we get DLA for him really! The DLA barely covers the additional costs involved with a child with special needs really. i wonder how they work it out1
    i know though that washing is cheaper than using pull ups and we have been told not to use pull ups anyway by the nurse and doctor.
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    • Primrose
    • By Primrose 16th Jun 08, 11:25 AM
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    Primrose
    Could cut back on wine which would be a hardship as a relaxed meal with a couple of glasses is one of the day's pleasures.
    Stop taking a daily paper and read it online - another hardship, as now I'm retired, having a leisurely breakfast with the morning paper is something I previously never had time to do.
    Already grow as many veg as our garden has space for and eat less meat & more pulses, wear thicker sweaters & turn the heating down, have energy saving light bulbs & cavity wall insulation so have already done most of the obvious things.
  • katieowl
    Re turning the AGA off, if you have a Stanley you KNOW how hot it makes the house....we were also running a fan all night in our bedroom (the room above)

    I took a good look at my alternative cooking methods...apart from the barbeque and camping gas....I've got an electric deep fat fryer (Chips, samosa's and made some fab curried cauliflower fritters last week) An electric slow cooker (I was given this and haven't actually used it yet) a microwave that has a grill and electric oven facility (not much use IMHO but it's there if I need it)

    I figured I just needed to think outside the box a bit - The family have loved all the food so far!

    I cooked some raw beetroot in a foil package in the gas barbie last week which worked perfectly well (it was a Jamie Oliver recipe)

    The only thing I was missing that we needed was something to make toast, and I bought a four slice Sainsbury's basics toaster for about 6.50. I stood with the stainless steel one in my hand that cost 29.99 and figured, that a white plastic one and 23 in my pocket was a better deal

    It hasn't been much of an ordeal so far...

    I'd consider getting a gas hob indoors, but I'd need to move a seriously large piece of furniture to do it...and because we were trying to sell - I was trying to keep the place as tidy as possible...:rolleyes: fat lot of good!
    Last edited by katieowl; 16-06-2008 at 11:32 AM.
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