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    • Former MSE Andrea
    • By Former MSE Andrea 15th Nov 05, 10:20 AM
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    No, I'm not a Smartmaniac Blog Discussion
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    • 15th Nov 05, 10:20 AM
    No, I'm not a Smartmaniac Blog Discussion 15th Nov 05 at 10:20 AM
    This is a Chat Forum discussion on Martin's 'No, I'm not a Smartmaniac' blog that you can read here.
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  • Daedulus
    • #2
    • 15th Nov 05, 10:38 AM
    Reconsider
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    • 15th Nov 05, 10:38 AM
    Hey Martin,

    I just visited the SmartManiacs website and, to quote:
    "JOIN smartmaniacs it's FREE!

    .. claim your FREE DISCOUNT CARD.

    SAVE ON servicing, parts, ICE, Graphics and more.... "

    Maybe you want to reconsider?
  • jamesadane
    • #3
    • 15th Nov 05, 11:53 AM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 11:53 AM
    It's a serious point worth making more generally I think; If you join an owners club for the make/model of car you have then you can save money left, right and center. Many insurers offer discounts for being a member of an owners club and many part suppliers do too, but this tends to be specialist suppliers for older/rarer cars.
    It's ceratinly worth digging about for owners clubs for your car, and it's then worth asking when you are buying things for that car if there are owners club discounts available. Result: more money saved!
    • MSE Martin
    • By MSE Martin 15th Nov 05, 12:04 PM
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    • #4
    • 15th Nov 05, 12:04 PM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 12:04 PM
    OK ok my wrist is slapped
    Martin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
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    • divadee
    • By divadee 15th Nov 05, 1:08 PM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 1:08 PM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 1:08 PM
    you came all the way down here and didnt come to see me


    shame on you
    • PaleScene
    • By PaleScene 15th Nov 05, 9:54 PM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 9:54 PM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 9:54 PM
    Hehe - my other half has much the same attitude. I have taken him along to Doctor Who conventions in the past (which tend not to have a lot of dressers-up) but he wouldn't consider a Star Trek convention at all because the image shown of them is all pyjama-uniforms and klingon make-up. (I'm not interested in the latter because I'm less keen on watching it too)
    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 15th Nov 05, 10:19 PM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 10:19 PM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 10:19 PM
    And the woman who runs Smartmaniacs is one of your faithful! Shame on you!!!!

    (I own a Smart as well. And I met my husband through owning one )
    • MSE Martin
    • By MSE Martin 15th Nov 05, 11:12 PM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 11:12 PM
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    • 15th Nov 05, 11:12 PM
    I really have bitten off more than i can chew here haven't I!

    I love my smart! I am driving a Smart in my new series. Smart users don't disown me... Im sorry.... I should've come to Smartmaniacs after all.... I blame the girl i was with.... it wasn't me gov.... honest!
    Martin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
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    • charlieheard
    • By charlieheard 16th Nov 05, 9:06 AM
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    • 16th Nov 05, 9:06 AM
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    • 16th Nov 05, 9:06 AM
    Martin,

    Slightly tongue in cheek, but do you think a Smart car is suitable for a money saving expert?
    • It isn't cheap - there are many cheaper cars
    • It isn't economical - there are many more economical cars.
    • It isn't that small - you still take up a lane on the road and a parking space like any other car
    • It is short - which actually makes it poorer handling than a supermini and less safe in an accident.
    Don't tell me style and fashion are more important than money-saving
    Jumbo

    "You may have speed, but I have momentum"
    • MSE Martin
    • By MSE Martin 16th Nov 05, 9:50 AM
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    MSE Martin
    However when I bought it, it was the only one which allowed a full capital write off if you bought it on the company because of its emissions.

    The insurance is the lowest category.

    It is very economical and depreciation isn't too bad.

    Parking is phenomenal, i tend to hang out in central london most of the time.

    And best of all its a non-status car, unlike a normal small car, no one can work out how much money a smart owner earns!

    martin

    Last edited by MSE Martin; 16-11-2005 at 10:33 AM.
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    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 16th Nov 05, 10:49 AM
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    Martin,

    [*]It is short - which actually makes it poorer handling than a supermini and less safe in an accident.[/list]Don't tell me style and fashion are more important than money-saving
    by charlieheard
    Charliehead, have you looked at crash reports involving Smarts? They are one of the safest cars on the road!!!!!
    • charlieheard
    • By charlieheard 16th Nov 05, 11:49 AM
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    A Smart seems to be like the original mini - driven by celebrities like Martin on the one hand, and Joe Bloggs on the other. I know many people who lust after them. But should we buy cars with our hearts or our heads? I know I've rationalised many a "heartstrong" purchase (not that I'm saying a Smart is one)

    "Charliehead, have you looked at crash reports involving Smarts? They are one of the safest cars on the road!!!!!"
    by jobbingmusician
    How do you define "safe"?

    If you mean the NCAP test, they compare like with like, but would you rather be in a Smart or a Discovery in a crash between the two? I'd certainly take the Discovery. Smarts are short (their raison d'etre), so they have minimal crumple zones. I haven't seen anything definitive on this, but is a Smart safer to be in a crash in than the "average" car, whatever that is? I would guess not.

    Or do you mean active safety? The Smart is relatively tall, with a short wheelbase. To make it handle without falling over, they had to give it firm suspension and electronic aids, especially after the parent Mercedes Benz had a shock with the elk test in the A Class. So even if you think a Smart is a very safe place to be in a crash (which I don't), it is more likely to have one in the first place because of its inherent design when compared to a more normal car. (And the same is true of the Discovery FWIW)
    Last edited by charlieheard; 16-11-2005 at 11:52 AM.
    Jumbo

    "You may have speed, but I have momentum"
    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 20th Nov 05, 11:22 PM
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    How about a Smart versus a Mercedes-Benz E320? http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/mbccustom/smart/safety/event_clips.cfm
  • Mr Skint
    Martin still regulates the site on the move you know. :rolleyes:

  • drsims
    Sorry but I lurv my Ka - beats a Smart hands down
    "He that goes a borrowing goes a sorrowing" Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790
    • charlieheard
    • By charlieheard 30th Nov 05, 12:32 PM
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    How about a Smart versus a Mercedes-Benz E320? http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/mbccustom/smart/safety/event_clips.cfm
    by jobbingmusician
    Did you see how the Smart used the Mercedes as a punch bag? As the Smart has minimal crumple zones, it has to use the other car's. Fine in that case, but what happens when it meets another car with a small crumple zone, or one with a separate chassis (like a Discovery), or when it hits a wall?

    Small crumple zone = more rapid deceleration = more significant injuries.

    Q.E.D.
    Jumbo

    "You may have speed, but I have momentum"
  • smartmaniacs
    Yes I am "one of the faithful" - lol
    *The smart has a triple skin tridion (silver or black around the car) which effectively means it's like driving round in your own portable roll cage
    *In a major collision the rear engine is designed to slide downwards
    (away from the passengers).
    *The seat backs are metal and (in most cases) above head height to reduce possible whip lash.
    * There are very large box sections front & rear directly attached
    to the tridion safety cell which again, absorbs potential damage to passengers.
    * There are also large metal bars in the doors to protect in a side on collision.
    In addition to that they have a Mercedes designed traction control and anti-lock braking system.

    Not bad in a little car.
    I do know of a few people who have had un-avoidable accidents in their smarties and in every case they've been more than pleased with the protection offered by these superb little cars.

    If you want a picture of a smart Tridion and further safety details you
    can find it here
    and here's one of our old threads that covers the TUV testing of the smart car

    Hope this helps
    All the Best
    Nicola (admin on smartmaniacs.co.uk)

    p.s. The Motor Museum day you refer to in your blog was actually lots of fun,
    there were many special offers on parts and accessories AND reduced price
    entry to the museum (all for the price of a "wave" -lol).
    The smart brand attracts all sorts of people, some for the money saving aspect, some because it's not the standard "euro box" and some because
    they like it's universal appeal......(the residual values aren't bad either!)
    Last edited by smartmaniacs; 22-12-2005 at 11:29 PM.
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  • s2trash
    LOL I was the one who organised Beaulieu..there where 255 of us there

    Copyright spotty badger productions
  • s2trash
    have seen smarts that have crashed doing over 60 mph and every time the driver walks away,also seen pics of a smart that killed a volvo and one that endid the life of a bmw..trust me there strong
  • Dora the Explorer
    "And best of all its a non-status car, unlike a normal small car, no one can work out how much money a smart owner earns!"

    Oh dear, I haven't laughed so much for ages

    I'm now off to join the Micra owners club
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