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Prepping for Brexit thread

edited 30 November -1 at 12:00AM in Old Style MoneySaving
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  • northwest1965northwest1965 Forumite
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    Thought I'd post this that i read the other day, don;t know if its true or not. Taken from a businessman's letter to the PM

    Exports from the EU into the UK – no disruption threat there There have been the most extraordinary and juvenile claims of potential (albeit very short-term) shortages in this country after 29th March 2019. Even you, lamentably, mentioned your diabetes and your desire for being sure of your supply of insulin. Who persuaded you to say that? Did you give the slightest thought to how ridiculous that scare story was? Insulin is sold under a wonderful system we call private enterprise, from one company to another. In the UK’s case, it’s mostly a Danish company selling insulin to companies in Britain. The insulin is put on a plane or a boat and comes over to our country. What, do you assert, would prevent this from happening after a Sovereign Brexit? Come on, what? Are you saying that the EU would somehow seek to prevent insulin being placed on a ship or a boat and exported to us? You aren’t saying that, are you? Such an action would be illegal. Or, OK: let’s even say that, however unlikely, the EU indeed decided on 29th March to start acting entirely illegally (again: for a short period of time only, which is all they could possibly ever do). Then the UK would get its insulin from the US, or the Danish company would sell the insulin to Norway, or some other non-EU country, which would then export it on to the UK. Businesses successfully deal with complications of this sort all the time. All that the EU’s (highly, highly unlikely) illegality would result in is the Danish company losing money, one way or another. But you and I know that the EU wouldn’t shoot itself in the foot like that. So, were you claiming instead that Britain would somehow put up barriers against Danish insulin coming into the country after 29th March? We wouldn’t, would we? Come on, you know that, don’t you? So why did you raise a false scare story, that would have had tens or hundreds of thousands of diabetics worried that their supply of insulin was suddenly going to dry up, when you know it’s hogwash?
    Insulin is just an example of any other product that comes into the UK from the EU. We would not prevent any product from arriving; the EU would have no legal locus (or indeed any physical ability) to prevent any product from being sent; can you please just stop being silly and admit that there would be no supply shortages in the UK? (And please, can we in particular try to keep our Conservative ministers from making fools of themselves, in their eagerness to support you, by escalating the level of ludicrousness of such scare stories from a possibility of momentary disruption of a day or two, through to six-week problems, through to six-month problems?
    Loved our trip to the West Coast USA. Death Valley is the place to go!
  • mardathamardatha Forumite
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    Don't think it's that simple, NW. Yes anybody can put anything on a boat and send it here - but you're going to get the Customs jobsworths clutching their pens in anticipation and gathering round like vultures looking for the correct permits and certificates and declarations..
  • humptydumptybitshumptydumptybits Forumite
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    I wonder why the Health Secretary said he couldn't rule out people dying because of the situation with medication?


    Look at the chaos someone with a drone has caused at a major airport and tell me that Brexit hasn't got the potential to cause far more disruption.
  • humptydumptybitshumptydumptybits Forumite
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    mardatha wrote: »
    Don't think it's that simple, NW. Yes anybody can put anything on a boat and send it here - but you're going to get the Customs jobsworths clutching their pens in anticipation and gathering round like vultures looking for the correct permits and certificates and declarations..


    Well Brexit was all about taking back control of our borders wasn't it? Surely a big part of that is Customs Officers doing exactly that.
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    edited 23 December 2018 at 9:34PM
    I wonder why the Health Secretary said he couldn't rule out people dying because of the situation with medication?


    Look at the chaos someone with a drone has caused at a major airport and tell me that Brexit hasn't got the potential to cause far more disruption.

    That chaos seems to have boiled down, as far as can be seen, to a Transport Secretary that isn't up to the job.

    My mind is boggling that someone in his position (until May has the sense to sack him - which I think she will have) didn't get straight onto the Airport and find a way of saying "Blow what you think - I'm the Transport Secretary and I have decided the following plan. The military have already had their orders - and they are en route to you as we speak". If one can't be firm/decisive/etc in positions like he currently still has at the moment - when can you?

    Basically the chaos caused seems to be largely down to inefficiency all round (including the police arresting the wrong people and some of the Press proceeding to identify the wrong people).

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    As for customs people "gathering like vultures - demanding correct permits etc" - the same applies. I've been a civil servant and, if even an ordinary MP just "having a word" causes civil servants (certainly lower level ones) to run round like blue !!! flies and "Obey" - then whatever Minister is in charge of them can/should do a bit of Being Firm and saying "These are your instructions - which you will obey and forget the Being A Jobsworth/Protecting Own Back for once" quite clearly to them. I well know just what proportion of civil servants are very "jobsworth"/protecting own back first and foremost - I watched enough of that sort of thing going on....but if Higher Orders tell them "Your personal back is at risk of you don't forget all those instructions for the time being for a very good reason" that's what those of us who tried to work for the public and the jobsworth ones will both do.
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  • mardathamardatha Forumite
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    Taking back our borders is one thing. But ther has to be the staff to man them. And we haven't got that organised yet :rotfl:
  • humptydumptybitshumptydumptybits Forumite
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    That chaos seems to have boiled down, as far as can be seen, to a Transport Secretary that isn't up to the job.

    My mind is boggling that someone in his position (until May has the sense to sack him - which I think she will have) didn't get straight onto the Airport and find a way of saying "Blow what you think - I'm the Transport Secretary and I have decided the following plan. The military have already had their orders - and they are en route to you as we speak". If one can't be firm/decisive/etc in positions like he currently still has at the moment - when can you?

    Basically the chaos caused seems to be largely down to inefficiency all round (including the police arresting the wrong people and some of the Press proceeding to identify the wrong people).

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    As for customs people "gathering like vultures - demanding correct permits etc" - the same applies. I've been a civil servant and, if even an ordinary MP just "having a word" causes civil servants (certainly lower level ones) to run round like blue !!! flies and "Obey" - then whatever Minister is in charge of them can/should do a bit of Being Firm and saying "These are your instructions - which you will obey and forget the Being A Jobsworth/Protecting Own Back for once" quite clearly to them. I well know just what proportion of civil servants are very "jobsworth"/protecting own back first and foremost - I watched enough of that sort of thing going on....but if Higher Orders tell them "Your personal back is at risk of you don't forget all those instructions for the time being for a very good reason" that's what those of us who tried to work for the public and the jobsworth ones will both do.


    It isn't about being a jobsworth. If we are going to control our borders we have to have customs officers and immigration officers or do you think we should just open our borders completely? I thought leavers wanted control?
  • humptydumptybitshumptydumptybits Forumite
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    mardatha wrote: »
    Taking back our borders is one thing. But ther has to be the staff to man them. And we haven't got that organised yet :rotfl:


    Absolutely, I read that The Netherlands have recruited and trained alot of customs staff to deal with it at their end, we seem to be just starting to prepare now and of course we have had cutbacks in all public sector areas in recent years so starting from a low point anyway.
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    I shall be looking for warm, good quality sensible clothes in the sales this year and a couple of pairs of serviceable shoes to wear doing outside jobs and walking. I shall buy some socks to replace those I've got as they wear and also undies too and the big item to look for will be a new waxed jacket that will last me for years (probably outlast me too!) I shall also be looking for a good strong rucksack as I usually shop with one, much easier for me to carry groceries on my back than by hand. I'll look all round the house and see if we need anything replaced before the end of March just in case we get rising prices or things are not so readily available as they are now.
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    I do sigh and think "If only people accepted it's a democracy and if their way isn't the winning way then get on with dealing with it". I do think all the screaming/lying done by those trying to overturn our democratic decision has done us a huge disservice re getting a decent deal to leave with - and the "screamers" have made it impossible to do anything other than "Crash out without a deal at all" - as May has been having to negotiate from a position of them knowing all this "screaming" is going on - rather than us uniting behind our decision. It's the screamers that have cost us whatever disruption we land up getting....

    Absolutely right, it has to be Remainers who caused all the problems.

    In a democratic country everyone who lost a vote should shut up, agree that the course of action chosen by a tiny majority is 100% right for everyone in the country for the future. No-one should be allowed to argue with the majority, ever, under any circumstances. To do so is utterly, utterly disgraceful. England and Wales voted Leave so Northern Ireland and Scotland should just lump it.

    It doesn't matter at all if we have problems with importing the 40% of food we need, or medicines. It's absolutely fine if people die because lifesaving drugs aren't available - because the majority of people actively want this to happen and any casualties are a price worth paying.

    Theresa May, David Davis, Dominic Raab and Stephen Barclay haven't put a foot wrong; they've been undermined by sore, lying losers from Day One.

    The big problem is it's taken two and a half years to negotiate a deal with the nasty, mean EU who wanted to teach us a lesson. How unkind of them.

    But it doesn't matter. At some point in the future when we've left the EU, our non-existent team of international trade negotiators will appear out of nowhere and start making new trade deals with every other country on the planet at the same time as they're negotiating a trade deal with the EU. They'll be fantastic - even better than the free trade deal with have right now.

    It'll all be back to normal in no time at all.

    In the meantime, all Preppers will be all right, Jack.
    Keeping it AF
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