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  • sugarbaby125sugarbaby125 Forumite
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    I thought size 12 used to be a 24" waist and 36" hip. I'm sure it was in the 70s as I had babies and went up from a 10. I definitely didn't have a 26" waist. Maybe makes varied?

    Humpty you are correct. Size 12 definitely was 24 inches
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    I thought size 12 used to be a 24" waist and 36" hip. I'm sure it was in the 70s as I had babies and went up from a 10. I definitely didn't have a 26" waist. Maybe makes varied?

    I know it was always traditionally said that Marks & Spencer did "big" sizing. I think the "rule of thumb" was that the shops that catered for "older" customers did "bigger" sizing to a certain extent (probably only adding an extra 1" - rather than the 2"-3" of vanity sizing of today?). So I think Jaegar would have been that bit "bigger" than Dorothy Perkins for instance..

    Probably down to many women have children and things "change" one way or another??? at a guess. Whereas younger women didnt normally have children and hadnt had any of those "changes" going on???

    I've no idea what changes one might (or might not) expect from that - as my own mother didn't change one little bit after she'd had her children as far as I could see. She was still attracting wolf whistles and looking very good/flat stomach/don't think she had any stretch marks and generally looked very good in a bikini. Quite enviable...but she did get very lucky in the "looks luck of the drawer". Her one minus point being her fine hair (that was passed onto me unfortunately...). It's just old age that has caused that to change - with its withered skin/age spots (which she has a fine line in removing herself if they are on her face LOL)/the stomach has "gone" a bit.
  • Humpty you are correct. Size 12 definitely was 24 inches

    That would explain why I can remember looking along the size 14 clothes for a skirt one time back along. I think that would probably have been the 1970s.

    Maybe my suedette skirt is a 1980s one, rather than a 1970s one? I think it probably is...not bad going for a 30 year old skirt:D
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    edited 14 October 2018 at 11:43AM
    Chucking it down with rain, dark and depressing so I'm going to reorganise my bedroom. I just sort of guessed where to put stuff when I moved in, doing it quickly so as to get tidy and straight. Now I'm going to tweak it and get it more organised. I'm going to declutter as I go. It will probably take a couple of days so I'll make a start today. I'm still tired so I will take it relatively easy today.

    I'll be perfectly honest, I don't give a fig about sizing, labels etc. If it fits and I like it then it's my size. :rotfl: I can't see the point in getting bogged down with numbers, there's just too much variation. Not only is there a difference between manufacturers but also the cut of a garment makes a huge difference too. I honestly don't think it's worth fretting over. Just wear what fits you, what flatters you and enjoy. Don't waste precious time and energy about the number on the label. Life's too short. :D

    We are all so different that mass produced garments will always be hit and miss anyway. I agree though, It can be so frustrating. Unless of course you strike lucky and find a manufacturer whose sizing structure marries your shape you are always going to have a hunt on your hands. .

    I wouldn't class myself as particularly tall 5ft 7 but I have struggled to find the right trouser length in the past, especially when I was younger. They often ended up at "half mast" so for years I hardly wore trousers. I think younger women are generally taller (and bigger) now and this paradigm shift has worked in my favour. I now find it much easier to find trousers that fit. When it comes to dresses I have found Jacques Verte a very good fit for me. I can even order those online knowing they will be ok. I can't say that for many makes.

    I agree with Maman on this - if you are in the process of losing weight and need to buy clothes to tide you over then charity shops or some of the supermarkets can be a good choice. Personally I prefer Sainsbury's clothing to Asda. I think they have a slight edge on quality. Their stuff seems to wash and wear better, holding their shape and keeping their looks a bit longer but I do buy some bits from Asda. I've not really bought much from Tesco so cant comment. . We only have one large Tesco that sells clothing and it's not convenient.

    Right going to prep dinner and then get cracking on that bedroom, then a bit of handsewing later.

    Don't really feel like doing much today but needs must. :rotfl: I'm sure I'll feel better if I make the effort.
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    I'm sure I'll feel better if I make the effort.


    Well said LL, I think that's true of life in general!:D


    If you have a small Seasalt locally money then click and collect or similar is the way to go. Hope you find a coat that suits you. You might be lucky being shorter in that a coat will be long enough on you to ensure you don't get wet legs!


    Do take care reorganising your bedroom LL, I wouldn't want you to injure yourself moving any heavy furniture.


    I'm with you on the half mast trousers. Only this week I noticed a woman (just random waiting at a bus stop as I drove past) wearing trousers that stopped above the ankles. To compound it she had frumpy shoes and white socks with dark trousers!:eek: I'd hate to think I stood out like that for all the wrong reasons.


    It's been tipping down with rain here all morning too :(although it has slacked off a little.:) I've been busying myself with paperwork I brought back from my conference this week but just stopped to have some lunch and a bit of a break.


    Two lunches out planned this week where fabbing will be needed (both times in Winchester chanie:)). It's not that I don't make an effort at other times but I have definite 'house clothes' and 'going out' clothes. That being said, I do buy clothes specially for home these days not just wear off old stuff. It's generally leggings and a top of some sort.


    Lovely roast dinner planned for later. I'll enjoy that!:drool:
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    I know it was always traditionally said that Marks & Spencer did "big" sizing. I think the "rule of thumb" was that the shops that catered for "older" customers did "bigger" sizing to a certain extent (probably only adding an extra 1" - rather than the 2"-3" of vanity sizing of today?). So I think Jaegar would have been that bit "bigger" than Dorothy Perkins for instance..

    Probably down to many women have children and things "change" one way or another??? at a guess. Whereas younger women didnt normally have children and hadnt had any of those "changes" going on???

    I've no idea what changes one might (or might not) expect from that - as my own mother didn't change one little bit after she'd had her children as far as I could see. She was still attracting wolf whistles and looking very good/flat stomach/don't think she had any stretch marks and generally looked very good in a bikini. Quite enviable...but she did get very lucky in the "looks luck of the drawer". Her one minus point being her fine hair (that was passed onto me unfortunately...). It's just old age that has caused that to change - with its withered skin/age spots (which she has a fine line in removing herself if they are on her face LOL)/the stomach has "gone" a bit.


    I don't suppose you remember what size your mother was immediately postpartum, it generally takes a while for everything to return to normal. Certainly in my case after giving birth to a 10lb plus baby I didn't immediately return to 22". Breastfeeding helps but still probably took close to 6 months.
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    Chucking it down with rain, dark and depressing so I'm going to reorganise my bedroom. I just sort of guessed where to put stuff when I moved in, doing it quickly so as to get tidy and straight. Now I'm going to tweak it and get it more organised. I'm going to declutter as I go. It will probably take a couple of days so I'll make a start today. I'm still tired so I will take it relatively easy today.

    I'll be perfectly honest, I don't give a fig about sizing, labels etc. If it fits and I like it then it's my size. :rotfl: I can't see the point in getting bogged down with numbers, there's just too much variation. Not only is there a difference between manufacturers but also the cut of a garment makes a huge difference too. I honestly don't think it's worth fretting over. Just wear what fits you, what flatters you and enjoy. Don't waste precious time and energy about the number on the label. Life's too short. :D

    We are all so different that mass produced garments will always be hit and miss anyway. I agree though, It can be so frustrating. Unless of course you strike lucky and find a manufacturer whose sizing structure marries your shape you are always going to have a hunt on your hands. .

    I wouldn't class myself as particularly tall 5ft 7 but I have struggled to find the right trouser length in the past, especially when I was younger. They often ended up at "half mast" so for years I hardly wore trousers. I think younger women are generally taller (and bigger) now and this paradigm shift has worked in my favour. I now find it much easier to find trousers that fit. When it comes to dresses I have found Jacques Verte a very good fit for me. I can even order those online knowing they will be ok. I can't say that for many makes.

    I agree with Maman on this - if you are in the process of losing weight and need to buy clothes to tide you over then charity shops or some of the supermarkets can be a good choice. Personally I prefer Sainsbury's clothing to Asda. I think they have a slight edge on quality. Their stuff seems to wash and wear better, holding their shape and keeping their looks a bit longer but I do buy some bits from Asda. I've not really bought much from Tesco so cant comment. . We only have one large Tesco that sells clothing and it's not convenient.

    Right going to prep dinner and then get cracking on that bedroom, then a bit of handsewing later.

    Don't really feel like doing much today but needs must. :rotfl: I'm sure I'll feel better if I make the effort.


    It does vary, I'm 3" shorter than you, just bought 2 new pairs of M&S trousers and they need to be shortened. The petite were to short and regular too long. I guess that can't please everyone.


    I saw some lovely stuff in Sainsbury's today. Very retro pinafore in a fine cord, autumn colours with fine knit tops for underneath. It looked very 60s and I wished I was young enough to wear them. I'm wondering if DD might like them, she loves pockets and they had two big patch pockets on the front. I might run it past her. Living vicariously :rotfl:
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    edited 14 October 2018 at 2:56PM
    I don't suppose you remember what size your mother was immediately postpartum, it generally takes a while for everything to return to normal. Certainly in my case after giving birth to a 10lb plus baby I didn't immediately return to 22". Breastfeeding helps but still probably took close to 6 months.

    The only comments she made about that were along the lines of "Someone I knew saw me out with you in a pram shortly after you were born and asked me whose baby you were - they'd seen me only a couple of months before you were born and not realised I was pregnant".

    I just know her size now - size 8 basically. 34B, 24, 34. Size 3 feet in narrow width.

    Yep...she's a "little old lady" now and has got me very well "trained" into knowing exactly what she'd like in any given respect:rotfl: Just as well - now that she's got me buying clothes for her sometimes.

    EDIT; Just taken another look at my suedette skirt and decided that maybe the fabric has "changed" a bit over the years - just binned it then. The other thought being that you do NOT want to know just how much I've just spent today on a pair of mules - ahem...errm...well I did just go online googling for what else there is in a brand of shoes I have a pair of (ie Naot) and I found them at total cost (including import costs from America) about £160. Ahem...as you were...well I could do with a pair of casual footwear to wear with blue jeans (one of my most frequent ways of dressing).
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    Ooh pinafore dresses. Very Audrey Hepburn. :rotfl: why not, if you like it, go for it. Wear it in the house if you think it's "too young" to be seen outside. But I don't see why it should be. I dont see a pinafore dress as being "Mutton" :rotfl:

    Like Maman I now buy "at home clothes" rather than wearing tatty old worn out cast offs, Unless I'm decorating or doing really messy diy. I have a bag of diy - ing clothes.

    Well I've done well in the bedroom, calling it a day now. Went through all my clothes, reorganising the drawers. I think it will work better now, they seem more logically and better organised. I have a small bag of odds and ends ready for the recycling tomorrow. Not really good enough for the chazza, more suitable for rags if I'm honest, but they still make a bit of money out of them. I never let any textiles go to landfill.

    Tomorrow i will continue with linens, toiletries, meds etc., then on to books, CDs etc. I also need to do some paperwork this week.

    The small back bedroom is now almost empty. Just need to check out a corner where the surveyor picked up evidence of woodworm. I've had a quick look and I think it's historic rather than ongoing, I think the little blighters have long gone. However, I'll get the handyman to check the floor joists just in case. Then that room can be a study/exercise room.

    Re "snapping back into shape post partum". Most women don't. It takes several months. Breast feeding certainly helps the uterine muscles contract though. You actually feel it when you are feeding.
    I gently warned my DIL not to be too disappointed if she didn't immediately spring back into shape (especially as she is not naturally slender in the first place, although of course i didn't say that) :rotfl:
    She appreciates it will take a while, especially after a c section so she is happy enough.

    I think this is one area where celebs have put enormous pressure on young women - by giving a false image of new motherhood. But celebs have an army of helpers, stylists, dieticians and so on at their fingertips. They make it look easy but it's far from it.

    Money........don't measure yourself against your mother. That way lies madness.

    My mother was like a little porcelain doll, beautiful and exotic. By comparison I was like a big clumsy cart horse......:rotfl: not forgetting the birthmark of course .....so I could never be accused of being "pretty". My sister was the family beauty, (still is), even as a baby she was jaw droppingly beautiful but I learned not to compare myself to them.

    So I decided I would concentrate on developing my own style. Ok I couldn't be cute and pretty but I could be striking and different. I learnt how to present myself well, how to dress, how to use my charm, my voice, my humour.

    I was always the quirky, arty, intelligent one - John Lennon rather than Paul MCCartney. :rotfl:
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    Sounds like a very productive day LL . Well done!:T

    I've looked at pinafores too humpty . The needlecord one I saw in TU had embroidery on it so was a bit too fussy for me. I've seen a plain denim one somewhere that I thought would work for me but I have a denim skirt that would serve the same purpose so can't really justify.

    Talking of pinafores takes me back to my pregnancy with DD. I made myself just one charcoal grey pinafore and that saw me through the few weeks I needed maternity clothes. I was so small and she was a winter baby that I managed with big (what we now call boyfriend) cardigans or jumpers over my normal clothes. I bought one maternity dress for a party in early December as everyone was convinced I had my dates wrong and I thought I would wear it over Christmas but she was born on 20th so I didn't need it after all.

    From a fabbing point of view my pregnancy was perfect. The reason I was so small was that I carried her as a breech and although I didn't have morning sickness as such, I felt queasy throughout as she was pressing on my stomach. I lived on peanuts and oranges and had just one proper meal a day. I gained just half a stone and lost about a stone in myself so after she was born I was slimmer than I started! I have no stretch marks and my stomach was flat immediately and I had a bigger bust! I remember asking for a favourite pre pregnancy dress to be brought in to wear home and I felt fantastic.It was a long time ago but I remember as if it was yesterday. :)
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