MSE News: May and Corbyn promise consumers won't lose out from Brexit ...

Current EU consumer law for individuals will be enshrined in new UK law post-Brexit, both major parties have promised...
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  • edited 5 June 2017 at 8:30AM
    DoodyDoody Forumite
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    edited 5 June 2017 at 8:30AM
    The proposed Great Reform Bill does not ensure this. All EU legislation will be grandfathered over to UK law and any parts that any future government wish to drop will be easily done under statutory instruments which means minimal parliamentary intervention.

    There has even been talk of a twilight clause which would mean that any part of this legislation not actively adopted would be dropped by default.

    Bearing in mind that this legislation includes the 'red tape' so despised by the leave community is is interesting to be aware that the majority of this legislation are laws that protect our rights as workers and consumers, protection for the environment and animal welfare.

    Another chilling fact about the GRB is the possibility that virtually all public health law that currently comes from the EU (air quality, waste, food safety, tobacco reg, pharma reg, etc etc) could potentially be amended by the government only, with no parliamentary or other stakeholder oversight.

    Whilst parliament is dealing with that, there are 759 treaties and international agreements that Britain will lose after Brexit that might be retained with negotiation https://ig.ft.com/brexit-treaty-database/

    Mrs May has a track record of inconsistency and flip flopping to suit her whim. She promised not to call a General Election and did so. Her reversal of stance on Social Care funding makes one dizzy. The NI rise for self employed was quickly dropped. In her leadership campaign she promised a fairer Britain for workers and proposed having workers on companies' boards. That too was quickly dropped.

    Before the referendum, Mrs May spoke out on many occasions on the benefits of membership of the EU for our national security. She also spoke about the financial implications on business and of the importance of keeping EU membership for the financial services. She has gone back on all that.

    She is not to be trusted.
    'Get Brexit done' is a lie[
    "Your deal won’t get Brexit done, Mr Johnson. It gets you to the start line, and then the real tough stuff begins"
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  • reduxredux Forumite
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    MSE News: May and Corbyn promise consumers won't lose out from Brexit ..

    Something I would be interested in buying in a year or two went up in price, because of the exchange rate slide since the referendum result.

    This type of product was last made in this country in 1978. The firm stopped because it had almost none of the export sales it needed.

    If we end up outside the single market and outside the customs union, even the act of importing this will become more complicated, whether or not our government decides to also add a duty tariff to it.
  • DoodyDoody Forumite
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    redux wrote: »
    Something I would be interested in buying in a year or two went up in price, because of the exchange rate slide since the referendum result.

    This type of product was last made in this country in 1978. The firm stopped because it had almost none of the export sales it needed.

    If we end up outside the single market and outside the customs union, even the act of importing this will become more complicated, whether or not our government decides to also add a duty tariff to it.

    It will not be our government's decision whether or not to impose tariffs. We will have to fall in line with what our trading partners want if we are trading under WTO rules. The UK is not a significant trading entity in its own right. There will be 163 other nations to negotiate with. We are a small nation, that became the fifth wealthiest as part of the EU. Since the referendum we have become 7th and our currency has devalued by around 18%,. The prospect for consumers is not good.
    'Get Brexit done' is a lie[
    "Your deal won’t get Brexit done, Mr Johnson. It gets you to the start line, and then the real tough stuff begins"
    Betty Boothroyd
  • BHOVBHOV Forumite
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    In the article under 'Current EU consumer protection will be preserved' it quotes the following.. "Prime Minister Theresa May said: "Current EU law on consumer protection will be preserved in domestic law, giving consumers clarity in their domestic rights and obligations."

    And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn wrote that his party was "determined to enshrine all EU-derived consumer rights laws into UK legislation" and a new bill would ensure "no detrimental change" to consumer rights."

    How can they and the Great Repeal Bill guarantee that? According to the Government’s White Paper it says it will "Create powers to make secondary legislation." However reality says that there will not be time for Parliament to scrutinise every change, so the bill will give ministers some powers to make these changes by secondary legislation, which is subject to less scrutiny by MPs and also the Government acknowledges there will need to be some constraints on how ministers can use secondary legislation to change the law and finally also David Davis says the bill will not be published for pre-legislative scrutiny.

    There are no guarantees either way to consumers and this will need close monitoring.
  • DoodyDoody Forumite
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    This article explains the implications of the Great Reform Bill very well. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/01/great-repeal-bill-henry-viii-britain-eu-government
    'Get Brexit done' is a lie[
    "Your deal won’t get Brexit done, Mr Johnson. It gets you to the start line, and then the real tough stuff begins"
    Betty Boothroyd
  • Caroline_aCaroline_a Forumite
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    Shouldnt this be on DT??
  • unholyangelunholyangel Forumite
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    I would've thought the consumer rights board would be the most appropriate place given the topic.

    The purpose of the reform bill is not to enshrine EU law into national law - because its already been transposed in national law and would only need "protecting" if someone was planning to repeal those specific acts.

    Its purpose is so ministers (not even the government, but its ministers) can amend legislation without requiring any consultation or vote on it. Basically to enable them to do it quickly/easily rather than do it properly in accordance with the rules that are designed to stop this very thing from happening.
    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride
  • phillwphillw Forumite
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    Doody wrote: »
    We will have to fall in line with what our trading partners want if we are trading under WTO rules. The UK is not a significant trading entity in its own right. There will be 163 other nations to negotiate with.

    But we're Great, it says so in the name Great Britain! All these countries will realise this and pander to our whim.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
    The purpose of the reform bill is not to enshrine EU law into national law - because its already been transposed in national law and would only need "protecting" if someone was planning to repeal those specific acts.

    I believe they are repealing any existing UK law that mentions EU membership, which is the whole point about the great repeal bill.
  • Caroline_aCaroline_a Forumite
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    I would've thought the consumer rights board would be the most appropriate place given the topic.

    This is Marriage, Relationships and Families!
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