Self-assessment help

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This is probably trivial and the information must be available somewhere but I've spent a while trying to find it, hence me asking here.

So I have a normal full-time job, with the employer doing all the tax stuff, PAYE whatever. However, I do some minimal additional work, which I need to declare. But I was filling in the online forms and at no point did I get a question, to which I could answer "Yes" in order to declare said income. Does anyone know which section I should be filling in?

I got asked if I was self-employed - I mean no I'm not of course (though perhaps I am for the purposes of my extra income?), should I be answering in the affirmative for that section?

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  • sherambersheramber Forumite
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    Is this minimal work separate from your employment?

    If your are working for yourself then yes, for tht work, you are self employed and need to complete self wmployment pages for it.
  • eddiejones wrote: »
    This is probably trivial and the information must be available somewhere but I've spent a while trying to find it, hence me asking here.

    So I have a normal full-time job, with the employer doing all the tax stuff, PAYE whatever. However, I do some minimal additional work, which I need to declare. But I was filling in the online forms and at no point did I get a question, to which I could answer "Yes" in order to declare said income. Does anyone know which section I should be filling in?

    I got asked if I was self-employed - I mean no I'm not of course (though perhaps I am for the purposes of my extra income?), should I be answering in the affirmative for that section?

    There are only six questions on the page, surely you can see which one is for employees.
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  • edited 25 January 2015 at 2:18PM
    eddiejoneseddiejones Forumite
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    edited 25 January 2015 at 2:18PM
    zygurat789 wrote: »
    There are only six questions on the page, surely you can see which one is for employees.

    Thanks for this. Not sure what "the page" is. There are 25 or so questions about "Did you receive..." / "Are you...". And given none of them really applied to me, I thought perhaps there was another section I should be filling in. Given this is a reasonably serious form, I thought it would be prudent to be sure before continuing.

    Yes my extra income is separate from my normal work.

    I asked a friend who has done the self-assessment who said I definitely wasn't self-employed and that there should be somewhere obvious to fill in. But given I couldn't see that...


    Actually these two answers are slightly contradictory. Should I put Yes for both self-employeed and the "director, employee" etc question? My full-time employment is already taxed correctly...

    Edit: Ok, I've put Yes for both of the above
  • CLAPTONCLAPTON Forumite
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    eddiejones wrote: »
    Thanks for this. Not sure what "the page" is. There are 25 or so questions about "Did you receive..." / "Are you...". And given none of them really applied to me, I thought perhaps there was another section I should be filling in. Given this is a reasonably serious form, I thought it would be prudent to be sure before continuing.

    Yes my extra income is separate from my normal work.

    I asked a friend who has done the self-assessment who said I definitely wasn't self-employed and that there should be somewhere obvious to fill in. But given I couldn't see that...


    Actually these two answers are slightly contradictory. Should I put Yes for both self-employeed and the "director, employee" etc question? My full-time employment is already taxed correctly...

    Edit: Ok, I've put Yes for both of the above


    you must fill in the full details of your PAYE employment

    self assessment is about ALL your potentialy taxble income however obtained
  • MarkBursMarkBurs Forumite
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    If you simply need to declare some additional income (e.g. casual/freelance earnings) and aren't really running a self-employed business, you can put it in the section for Other UK Income.
  • eddiejones wrote: »
    Thanks for this. Not sure what "the page" is. There are 25 or so questions about "Did you receive..." / "Are you...". And given none of them really applied to me, I thought perhaps there was another section I should be filling in. Given this is a reasonably serious form, I thought it would be prudent to be sure before continuing.

    Yes my extra income is separate from my normal work.

    I asked a friend who has done the self-assessment who said I definitely wasn't self-employed and that there should be somewhere obvious to fill in. But given I couldn't see that...


    Actually these two answers are slightly contradictory. Should I put Yes for both self-employeed and the "director, employee" etc question? My full-time employment is already taxed correctly...

    Edit: Ok, I've put Yes for both of the above



    3. Tailor your return

    Tax return options
    How to pay Page 1 of 3* indicates required information

    This section aims to ensure you only answer questions relevant to you.

    In the tax year 6 April 2013 to 5 April 2014:

    Were you an employee, director, office holder or agency worker?*YesNo

    It is the first question on the page.
    And you found the self employed question just below it.
    It really is only a question of reading and understanding for the whole of the return.
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  • edited 25 January 2015 at 3:23PM
    TheCyclingProgrammerTheCyclingProgrammer Forumite
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    edited 25 January 2015 at 3:23PM
    MarkBurs wrote: »
    If you simply need to declare some additional income (e.g. casual/freelance earnings) and aren't really running a self-employed business, you can put it in the section for Other UK Income.

    This. Doing a small piece of one off work does not make you a self employed business.

    Just put the earnings in the other income box which I think is part of the main return. I can't remember which number.

    Edit: box 16/17 of the Other UK income sheet.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/323759/hs325.pdf

    You do not need to fill out the self employed pages, but you do need to enter your main income on an employment sheet as advised above so your tax liability can be calculated.
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