MSE News: Compulsory water meters to be installed in thousands of homes

edited 30 November -1 at 1:00AM in Water Bills
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  • ArremArrem Forumite
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    Water is no longer a Public Utility, therefore shareholders expect a return on their investments and that for me is the bottom line.
    What really miffs me is that the Water Companies, having failed so miserably to maintain their pipework systems, now expect their customers to pay even more to foot the bill for their repairs! And to cover those costs, they have brainwashed us into believing we are so much better people for caring about the environment by the installation of their meters.
    The installation of water meters by the Water companies has absolutely nothing to do with ecology. It is purely there in order to get more money from their customers (who have no alternative by the way).
    I have lived in houses both with and without water meters, in one house we voluntarily changed from Rateable Value payments to a metered system and our water costs rose by almost a quarter.
    GothicFairy refers to water never vanishing as being rubbish and apologises for saying so. I would like to suggest that he/she check that fact before responding in such a manner. Water cannot vanish, it might change is form from solid to vapour etc but it remains water and there is almost the same amount of water inside our atmosphere and planet as there was thousands of years ago. However, it is true that with the worlds population as high as it is, the demands for clean water have dramatically reduced it's availability.
  • CardewCardew Forumite
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    Could that actually work? :rotfl::rotfl:
    I can see the theory behind it because you would have constant motion. Just wondering how many taps would do it though.

    In theory it would work - in the same way as any hydro-electric scheme would work . However I doubt it would produce sufficient electricity to power the electronics needed to enable any device to be connected to the house mains.

    It might work better connected to a heat pump system
  • GothicfairyGothicfairy Forumite
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    Arrem wrote: »
    Water is no longer a Public Utility, therefore shareholders expect a return on their investments and that for me is the bottom line.
    What really miffs me is that the Water Companies, having failed so miserably to maintain their pipework systems, now expect their customers to pay even more to foot the bill for their repairs! And to cover those costs, they have brainwashed us into believing we are so much better people for caring about the environment by the installation of their meters.
    The installation of water meters by the Water companies has absolutely nothing to do with ecology. It is purely there in order to get more money from their customers (who have no alternative by the way).
    I have lived in houses both with and without water meters, in one house we voluntarily changed from Rateable Value payments to a metered system and our water costs rose by almost a quarter.
    GothicFairy refers to water never vanishing as being rubbish and apologises for saying so. I would like to suggest that he/she check that fact before responding in such a manner. Water cannot vanish, it might change is form from solid to vapour etc but it remains water and there is almost the same amount of water inside our atmosphere and planet as there was thousands of years ago. However, it is true that with the worlds population as high as it is, the demands for clean water have dramatically reduced it's availability.


    I would also suggest that you check your facts..A meter makes NO difference to the water companies profit..Never has and under the present OFWAT rules it never can..(until those rules change)
    No matter what you or others might like to suggest.
    The water companies have also done a hell of a lot to change ( lead free replacement etc) repair ( 10 year rolling schemes) and reduce leaks (DG rules and reporting) they might not be doing the best job ever but seeing as what they had to work with 30 years ago a lot has changed.

    I would also suggest that water might not vanish but it does not last forever if everyone is using the resource without any means of "topping up"
    It rains less and less and we use more and more, The math alone would suggest that that can not continue.

    Also where does the idea that the customer is paying more now then before for the pipe work ? Some areas have found their bills being reduced due to the 5 year plan and some have remained the same.
    It is just not true that everyone on a meter is paying more then before.

    You might not like my manner but that doesn't make me wrong..I just don't agree with everything that is said about " water lasting forever" and " it is all about the profit " etc etc

    If something is being used and not replaced it will run out..can't see how else that would possibly work..also half the water out there is not fit to drink anyway.
    There is a race of men that don't fit in; A race that can't stand still;
    So they break the hearts of kith and kin, and roam the world at will.

    Robert Service
  • societys_childsocietys_child Forumite
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    But it's just water. Water never vanishes of course it does, it evapourates

    :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

    Please . . continue with the science lesson. Like what happens next . .

    Oh I know, it rains back down on us.:j
    Do you really believe it just evaporates and it's gone?

    The earths moisture content remains the same . . . unless you blast it off into space . . .
  • CoolerCooler Forumite
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    Instead of trying to control people's demand how about them extracting the digit and supplying what is needed.

    What sort of society tries to encourages folk to use less water than is needed for hygiene purposes by charging for it when there was an excellent supply system funded by the local community kitty in place, as it should be.

    What sort of people grab the '40 pieces of silver' today with the promise of cheaper bills today (knowing the difference is being made up by the moral folk who don't bite) whilst not caring about the control being passed to the commercial companies who will inevitably raise prices when the time is right for them.

    What sort of government allows this to occur at all, where a meter can be requested by a house owner at one time but a future owner is denied the chance to remove it. And now compulsion of this evil scheme whether the people or individuals want it or not.

    This is not the civilised society I was born into, where water was seen as a right supplied by the community. It is moving towards control by commerce and herding of the people. I'm ashamed of all those involved.
  • GothicfairyGothicfairy Forumite
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    :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

    Please . . continue with the science lesson. Like what happens next . .

    Oh I know, it rains back down on us.:j
    Do you really believe it just evaporates and it's gone? no, really,you mean it doesn't ?

    The earths moisture content remains the same please provide the proof for that fact as it would seem some don't agree with you..ice caps melting etc. . unless you blast it off into space . . .


    Yes of course..The science lesson continues with a weather warning.....When was the last time it rained enough to make a difference or did I miss that ?
    I am sure the farmers going out of business locally will be really glad to hear it will return as rain..............any idea when that might happen as I am sure info like that will make you rich :T

    OK fine whatever..have it your way, there is more then enough water and no one is dieing for lack of water, everyone will have water on tap this summer and there will be no shortage.
    What a wonderful world

    :rotfl:(as many of those stupid things as you like)
    There is a race of men that don't fit in; A race that can't stand still;
    So they break the hearts of kith and kin, and roam the world at will.

    Robert Service
  • GothicfairyGothicfairy Forumite
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    Cooler wrote: »
    Instead of trying to control people's demand how about them extracting the digit and supplying what is needed.

    What sort of society tries to encourages folk to use less water than is needed for hygiene purposes When does this happen ? Not flushing a toilet everytime is really not a hygiene issue by charging for it when there was an excellent supply system funded by the local community kitty in place, as it should be. but it was still paid for by use through council tax/ poll tax.

    What sort of people grab the '40 pieces of silver' today with the promise of cheaper bills today most people would do this, why not ? (knowing the difference is being made up by the moral ehh ? what is not moral about having a meter ? folk who don't bite) whilst not caring about the control being passed to the commercial companies who will inevitably raise prices when the time is right for them.
    The prices set per cubic meter is down to OFWAT rather then the water companies and a meter / no meter makes no difference

    What sort of government allows this to occur at all, where a meter can be requested by a house owner at one time but a future owner is denied the chance to remove it. And now compulsion of this evil scheme whether the people or individuals want it or not.

    This is not the civilised society I was born into, where water was seen as a right supplied by the community. It is moving towards control by commerce and herding of the people. I'm ashamed of all those involved.

    I really do think you are over thinking it all..Profit is down to OFWAT and fixed which is more then can be said for gas/ leccy companies.
    A meter is the ONLY fair way to charge everyone as it means everyone pays for usage rather then the fix charges that happen now based on something that was last looked at about 30 years ago.
    There is going to be a hose pipe ban / water shortage this year and a meter is really the only way to make sure no one has more then they need as well.

    Water has never really been free as that was the whole point of RV to begin with..you paid the council tax and that had the water added on.
    So the bill really was the same just hidden.

    We need as a whole world to look at long term supply and everyone being carefull with what they use is a start. We should not be wasting water as it will not last forever in the clean /safe way it is now.
    Half the world would think themselves lucky to even have half what we have here so I am afraid I just can not agree with "This is not the civilised society I was born into, where water was seen as a right supplied by the community"
    You make it sound like the world was a better place years ago but I remember : bread strikes / miners strikes/ rail workers strikes / power cuts weekly/ no milk/free school meals / LPG arriving by the tanker months late / no petrol / May day riots / poll tax riots....the list goes on.
    A water meter is hardly the end of the world and being carefull with our world and what is has is not a crime.
    There is a race of men that don't fit in; A race that can't stand still;
    So they break the hearts of kith and kin, and roam the world at will.

    Robert Service
  • dmg24 wrote: »
    Wowzers - never heard of diminishing resources?

    Ever heard there's tonnes of it up North and the water companies are too tight to pay the cost of getting it to the south?
  • The reason our resources are so low in this country, is we let every Tom, !!!!!! & Harry emigrate here. We are going to turn into a country where only the rich can afford life's essentials.

    The people whom waste the most water, are the very people forcing these meters on people, because they don't fix their leaks quickly enough and why bother when you can simply force consumers to use less.

    Every year there is some excuse for water shortage, despite the weather, it's the wrong kind of rain blah blah blah.

    Time to take re-nationalize all utilities. If this decision is made, you guarantee it's been made based upon the water suppliers making additional profit, it has diddly squat to do with water stocks.
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