School Supply Staff - hardship funds / benefits

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leodislife said:

JGB1955 said:

If you are supply staff you are not employed by the school.  You are employed by the agency and your pay includes holiday pay (AIUI).  Ironically, I know someone who now tutors Wuhan students in secondary school English as a living.  Maybe TEFL as something to look at?

I really don’t think my pay includes my holiday pay:

 i get paid £65 a day. Other perminant TAs get £17500 per annum (usually more), as agency staff if i worked every possible day in the term i would earn £12,025 , if you divide that by full year of 52 weeks / divide by 5 days / divide by 7 hours a day (its usually more than this but that’s the minimum) , you get £6.60 per hour ..

i am a graduate , CPD trained SEN TA, with 3 years experience, team teach training. I would prefer to be permanent staff but there was no jobs, just because I’m agency doesn’t mean i deserve to be treated that way. 

But your not, your paid for the hours you work. You can’t expect to be paid for hours you don’t work. 

Have you looked at benefits? 

leodislife

MarkN88 said:

leodislife said:

JGB1955 said:

If you are supply staff you are not employed by the school.  You are employed by the agency and your pay includes holiday pay (AIUI).  Ironically, I know someone who now tutors Wuhan students in secondary school English as a living.  Maybe TEFL as something to look at?

I really don’t think my pay includes my holiday pay:

 i get paid £65 a day. Other perminant TAs get £17500 per annum (usually more), as agency staff if i worked every possible day in the term i would earn £12,025 , if you divide that by full year of 52 weeks / divide by 5 days / divide by 7 hours a day (its usually more than this but that’s the minimum) , you get £6.60 per hour ..

i am a graduate , CPD trained SEN TA, with 3 years experience, team teach training. I would prefer to be permanent staff but there was no jobs, just because I’m agency doesn’t mean i deserve to be treated that way. 

But your not, your paid for the hours you work. You can’t expect to be paid for hours you don’t work. 

Have you looked at benefits? 

You said my pay includes holiday pay, which it doesn’t. I’m just showing you it doesn’t. 

I have looked at benefits but universal credit won’t cover any mortgage payments until 9 months of being unemployed and even then it’s just the interest. So essentially benefits will only
Give me £75 a week for all my outgoings, mortgage, water, energy, internet, food, insurance etc. It wouldn’t even cover a third. 

leodislife

MovingForwards said:

Benefits, no grants etc as you're not self-employed.

UC will cancel any WTC you receive.

Benefits may be enough to pay all your outgoings, it varies person to person. No contribution towards mortgage interest until unemployed and on certain benefits for 9 months and even then it's a loan secured on your property.

Why is it a loan? That crazy. Even the interest part?  Its not my fault I’m unemployed, the government has made me unemployed.. this is ridiculous 

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leodislife said:

MarkN88 said:

leodislife said:

JGB1955 said:

If you are supply staff you are not employed by the school.  You are employed by the agency and your pay includes holiday pay (AIUI).  Ironically, I know someone who now tutors Wuhan students in secondary school English as a living.  Maybe TEFL as something to look at?

I really don’t think my pay includes my holiday pay:

 i get paid £65 a day. Other perminant TAs get £17500 per annum (usually more), as agency staff if i worked every possible day in the term i would earn £12,025 , if you divide that by full year of 52 weeks / divide by 5 days / divide by 7 hours a day (its usually more than this but that’s the minimum) , you get £6.60 per hour ..

i am a graduate , CPD trained SEN TA, with 3 years experience, team teach training. I would prefer to be permanent staff but there was no jobs, just because I’m agency doesn’t mean i deserve to be treated that way. 

But your not, your paid for the hours you work. You can’t expect to be paid for hours you don’t work. 

Have you looked at benefits? 

You said my pay includes holiday pay, which it doesn’t. I’m just showing you it doesn’t. 

I have looked at benefits but universal credit won’t cover any mortgage payments until 9 months of being unemployed and even then it’s just the interest. So essentially benefits will only
Give me £75 a week for all my outgoings, mortgage, water, energy, internet, food, insurance etc. It wouldn’t even cover a third. 

I never said such a thing. I think you’ll find that was someone else. 

poppy12345

leodislife said:

MovingForwards said:

Benefits, no grants etc as you're not self-employed.

UC will cancel any WTC you receive.

Benefits may be enough to pay all your outgoings, it varies person to person. No contribution towards mortgage interest until unemployed and on certain benefits for 9 months and even then it's a loan secured on your property.

Why is it a loan? That crazy. Even the interest part?  Its not my fault I’m unemployed, the government has made me unemployed.. this is ridiculous 

It's a loan because they can't be expected to pay your mortgage for you. Benefits are not meant to cover all your outgoings, that's never going to happen. Also with UC your entitlement is based on earnings received during your monthly assessment period. If you don't have the work allowance then your earnings will reduce your UC by 63% for every £1 you receive during your AP.

Living off benefits certainly isn't easy.

onashoestring

Almost all workers are entitled to holiday pay including agency workers - link to government guidance is here
https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights

What does your contract say about holiday pay ? 

mattyprice4004

leodislife said:

MovingForwards said:

Benefits, no grants etc as you're not self-employed.

UC will cancel any WTC you receive.

Benefits may be enough to pay all your outgoings, it varies person to person. No contribution towards mortgage interest until unemployed and on certain benefits for 9 months and even then it's a loan secured on your property.

Why is it a loan? That crazy. Even the interest part?  Its not my fault I’m unemployed, the government has made me unemployed.. this is ridiculous 

No, the pandemic has made you unemployed and closing the schools was the right choice given how things have gone.
I have every sympathy as a lot of my family are in teaching, but sometimes we have to do things we're not qualified in - I have a good friend who is quite high up at Manchester Airport ground crew; he's currently one of our local Iceland delivery drivers.
Time to tart up the CV!

JamoLew

With all choices there are pluses and minuses.

You chose to be a supply teacher rather than a full time contracted educator - you had your good reasons for doing so and probably had some benefit from doing that.

Sadly, you are now experienced the downside of that choice

Posters above are correct - your choice now is  find other work or benefits

pmlindyloo

Did you check out this link about supply staff being eligible for furloughing?

Check which employees you can put on furlough to use the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

If you are not eligible then you need to take the following steps:

1.  Apply for new style JSA and Universal Credit.  (check that you are eligible for new style JSA by googling)

Apply for Council Tax Reduction (separate from Universal Credit)

2..  Speak to your mortgage lender , explain the situation and ask that your mortgage payments be 'suspended'  (often referred to as a mortgage holiday)

3..  Speak to any monthly creditors (gas/electric/water etc) explain the situation and see what help they can give you.

4.  Look for a temporary job to bring in some money.

You will survive.  This is a temporary situation but there is a lot of help out there. 

You may need help from family/friends/the community.

Don't waste your energy on the rights and wrongs of the situation.  Be pro active.

leodislife

mattyprice4004 said:

leodislife said:

MovingForwards said:

Benefits, no grants etc as you're not self-employed.

UC will cancel any WTC you receive.

Benefits may be enough to pay all your outgoings, it varies person to person. No contribution towards mortgage interest until unemployed and on certain benefits for 9 months and even then it's a loan secured on your property.

Why is it a loan? That crazy. Even the interest part?  Its not my fault I’m unemployed, the government has made me unemployed.. this is ridiculous 

No, the pandemic has made you unemployed and closing the schools was the right choice given how things have gone.
I have every sympathy as a lot of my family are in teaching, but sometimes we have to do things we're not qualified in - I have a good friend who is quite high up at Manchester Airport ground crew; he's currently one of our local Iceland delivery drivers.
Time to tart up the CV!

The government could have helped people like me stay in work. I have applied for other work but there are thousands of more qualified people. Teaching staff are still paid. Perminant staff are still paid. Self employed people are still paid when they lost earnings. People employed in businesses are furloughed. Just because i have worked for agency feels like I’m being forgotten. Its not fair. The benefits system is not fit for purpose, i should at least be able to survive untill i find other work