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Why did Labour lose its heartlands?

edited 11 January 2020 at 2:19PM in Discussion Time
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    WillimSWillimS Forumite
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    edited 12 January 2020 at 3:08PM
    Wild_Rover wrote: »
    What the Labour Party decides to do about its next leader is of course up to the membership, but as someone who ought to be a voter the Party should be trying to attract, maybe I could make a comment?

    If the Party wants to have a chance of winning an election, try this... look out to see which candidate/s are supported by Momentum, then vote someone else in as leader.

    Just a thought!

    WR

    Take a look at each potential leader and rule them out, Thornberry is clueless, Long-Bailey too far left, Starmer too posh and titled to relate to ordinary working class people.

    Clive Lewis, Jess Philips are possible, it really is a case of picking the best out of the worst bunch.
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    WillimS wrote: »
    Take a look at each leader and rule them out, Thornberry is clueless, Long-Bailey too far left, Starmer too posh and titled to relate to ordinary working class people.

    Clive Lewis, Jess Philips are possible, it really is a case of picking the best out of the worst bunch.

    You missed out Lisa Nandy, she comes across as sensible in her approach and not preachy or holier than thou. This is who I would pick out of the bunch standing.
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    Wild_Rover wrote: »
    What the Labour Party decides to do about its next leader is of course up to the membership, but as someone who ought to be a voter the Party should be trying to attract, maybe I could make a comment?

    If the Party wants to have a chance of winning an election, try this... look out to see which candidate/s are supported by Momentum, then vote someone else in as leader.

    Just a thought!

    WR
    I believe that is Rebecca Long Bailey.
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    kpwll wrote: »
    You missed out Lisa Nandy, she comes across as sensible in her approach and not preachy or holier than thou. This is who I would pick out of the bunch standing.

    She was on Question Time back in October - still on iPlayer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0009690/question-time-2019-10102019

    I think she came across quite well given the questions/fellow panelists.
    That sounds like a classic case of premature extrapolation.

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    kpwll wrote: »
    You missed out Lisa Nandy, she comes across as sensible in her approach and not preachy or holier than thou. This is who I would pick out of the bunch standing.
    For me, it would be between her and Jess Phillips :) They both seem to have a grasp of the problems that beset Labour at the minute.
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    I think out of all of them, if I had a vote, I would vote for Lisa Nandy. She seems less left-wing than the others.

    Starmer is Smarmer, and a wolf in sheep's clothing, Long-Bailey is the preferred Momentum candidate and Phillips is shouty and preachy.

    AFAIK the other two haven't got enough endorsements yet, so may not get through to the next round.
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    Anyone who kicks Momentum out and brings the party more to the centre will do for me, it goes against the grain to vote Tory, I don't want to have to do it again. :(
  • edited 12 January 2020 at 3:17PM
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    edited 12 January 2020 at 3:17PM
    All of the leadership candidates could be described as to varying degrees left wing. None could be described as politically centrist.

    Some of you insist that for Labour to win a general election the party needs to be seen as centrist.

    Even Tony Blair describes himself as liberal/social democrat and that is still left wing (not centrist) to some degree. In 1997 Tony Blair won decisively a General Election on a moderately left wing manifesto.

    Like it or not each of the the candidates to be elected leader has to attract support from both the moderately left and the further left of the party. This means they have to negotiate a delicate balance between left and right of the party.

    ETA Where are the dividing lines politically between left wing and centrist and between centrist and right wing? They appear to be somewhat vague if not actually shifting over time.
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  • edited 12 January 2020 at 4:14PM
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    edited 12 January 2020 at 4:14PM
    They need someone that can appeal to the Country not the Party - that was what they got wrong last time!
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    ETA Where are the dividing lines politically between left wing and centrist and between centrist and right wing? They appear to be somewhat vague if not actually shifting over time.
    They're also confused by using the same left/right labels for social and economic policies, which are totally different things. For instance, many of the so-called "far right" parties here and in Europe are actually quite left wing economically, the "far right" label comes from their social policies (anti immigration/immigrants, gay rights etc) rather than economic policies (taxation/spending etc)
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