A Yes vote means better jobs for young people in Scotland

Generali

Nikkster wrote: »

I'm glad you posted that viva, I thought the same. Got some funny looks when I said in a conversation with some Scottish colleagues that that was the most sensible thing I'd heard about the whole issue. I'm sure I didn't explain it as eloquently as you though.

vivatifosi wrote: »

Not so easy to keep up with the Scottish debate now that the thread with the most contributions on has been moved to the dark side.

I was quite swayed by an interview I heard recently with a Scottish actor (James McAvoy?). He said that people shouldn't decide on whether they think it will be better for the economy, or worst for the economy, or for jobs, etc... Politicians lie and the circumstances change over time. He said what was important was whether or not in the heart of Scots they want to be independent. If you do, then you should vote yes, if you don't, vote no... because ultimately the other stuff you can't make your mind up on and people from both sides will lie to you. It's all supposition and theory. I quite liked his outlook.

There was a very interesting piece in the FT which I have failed to find (I think it was on the Alphaville blog) which was basically saying if you're going down a one way street to rip up the constitution of one of the most successful countries in the world, and probably the most successful combination of nations, perhaps a few hundred quid per capita here or there on GDP over the next decade isn't really the terms to discuss it in. Indeed perhaps money isn't the best frame to use.

Perhaps we should be looking at morality, ethics and whether nations stand better together or alone.

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Have there been any more opinion polls out then?

I havent checked into this much since they moved the other thread to the dentists waiting room of 'discussion time'.

According to Shakey et al's predictions then, by now the SNP should be polling at around 300% of the vote.

Yes is still behind. Yes has been ahead once in the polls since the referendum was decided. That was by 1 percentage point in a poll paid for by the SNP in August 2013.

Yes only really has two chances now: that someone says or does something so mindboggling stupid that support for No evaporates or that almost all the don't knows turn out for Yes.

antrobus

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Works for me....

Well yes, they'd have all the blinkin oil wouldn't they?:)

zagubov wrote: »

Of course. If you chop a potato into 3 or 4 chunks for roasting, presumably it's much better to keep going and chop them into many many wafer thin slices and make them into many smaller crisps. Much healthier- no, wait a minute, that's rubbish. ...

I believe, sir, that you have made the cardinal error of assuming that this is a serious thread.

Thrugelmir

CLAPTON wrote: »

I rather agree, it won't be decided on nominal economic grounds, but basically on how many hate the English sufficiently to want to be rid of them.

Yet the SNP wish to be part of a federal Europe.

michaels

Generali wrote: »

There was a very interesting piece in the FT which I have failed to find (I think it was on the Alphaville blog) which was basically saying if you're going down a one way street to rip up the constitution of one of the most successful countries in the world, and probably the most successful combination of nations, perhaps a few hundred quid per capita here or there on GDP over the next decade isn't really the terms to discuss it in. Indeed perhaps money isn't the best frame to use.

Perhaps we should be looking at morality, ethics and whether nations stand better together or alone.



Yes is still behind. Yes has been ahead once in the polls since the referendum was decided. That was by 1 percentage point in a poll paid for by the SNP in August 2013.

Yes only really has two chances now: that someone says or does something so mindboggling stupid that support for No evaporates or that almost all the don't knows turn out for Yes.

As an English person we can only hope. Perhaps ukip and the Tories.can take over the no campaign and agree to a television debate?

IveSeenTheLight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If it costs more to employee people in Scotland than Spain. Where is a Company requiring low cost labour going to base itself. The unemployment rate in Spain for the under 24's is now over 50%.

When push comes to shove. Dog eats dog. The veneer holding the Eurozone together will evaporate.

Hardly surprising given that 2.5 billion Indian and Chinese workers have joined the labour market since the early 90's.

Have you thought this through?

Is the labour in spain already cheaper than the UK?

Thrugelmir

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Have you thought this through?

Is the labour in spain already cheaper than the UK?

Totally thought through. A higher minimum wage in Scotland will merely displace more low skill jobs elsewhere. Do nothing for the tourist industry either.

IveSeenTheLight

mystic_trev wrote: »

Probably the reason it's 16 years since they last played in a World Cup :rotfl:

Nice one, yes we have failed to qualify for the last four finals.
As a small population country, it's doesn't hurt.

England has failed to qualify as well historically i.e. 1974 and 1978 (where incidentally Scotland did qualify) and 1994

Actually, it's a good job for you guys that we have failed to qualify the last four attempts as prior to that we had a better qualification record, qualifying 9 times, whilst England only qualified 8 times

Now, where's my ABE shirt

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

I rather agree, it won't be decided on nominal economic grounds, but basically on how many hate the English sufficiently to want to be rid of them.

I don;t hate the English, the vote has nothing to do with that Nation.

I'm proud to be Scottish and as such, I'd prefer to return to being an independent country

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I don;t hate the English, the vote has nothing to do with that Nation.

I'm proud to be Scottish and as such, I'd prefer to return to being an independent country

interesting concept : to be proud of being a certain nationality

Gangaweed

Socialist policies don't work. Period.

Personally I think the Scots should get independence and I'll look forward to watching another socialist failure.

Salmond has lied through his teeth the whole way through the debate . on EU membership,use of the sterling and son on.

He's a mendacious, dodgy, slippery eel.