Dismissal advice

wildfrost

I've been dismissed from my job after working with my company for eleven years. It's my fault, I told a lie and then owned up to it but despite my long otherwise unblemished record they have decided that the relationship of trust has broken down and I've been given my marching orders.

I'm already on the hunt for a new permanent job and i know that if I'm asked in an interview why I left my last job I must tell them I was dismissed and I will do.
But I'm also planning on hopefully finding a few temporary positions to plump out my CV a bit and also get a few good references behind me.

My question is, do I have to tell the recruitment agencies that I register with that I've been dismissed or can I just say I'm looking for a change?

harrys_dad

Was the dismissal done in line with agreed procedures? Did you appeal? Have you completely given up on getting your old job back? It is really hard to hide the fact that you have been dismissed for "gross misconduct".

LittleVoice

wildfrost wrote: »

I've been dismissed from my job after working with my company for eleven years. It's my fault, I told a lie and then owned up to it but despite my long otherwise unblemished record they have decided that the relationship of trust has broken down and I've been given my marching orders.

I'm already on the hunt for a new permanent job and i know that if I'm asked in an interview why I left my last job I must tell them I was dismissed and I will do.
But I'm also planning on hopefully finding a few temporary positions to plump out my CV a bit and also get a few good references behind me.

My question is, do I have to tell the recruitment agencies that I register with that I've been dismissed or can I just say I'm looking for a change?

Recruitment agencies offering temporary work will seek a reference from your last employer any way.

As an agency temp you would be their employee. So if you would tell a prospective employer .....

Agency clients may not wish to spend time in acting as referees for temp workers. However future employers could ask your agency (who may be willing to provide a reference).

wildfrost

Yes, the dismissal was done in line with procedures and yes I have given up on my old job. I was dismissed yesterday afternoon and already colleagues are texting me to say they have been told I've left the company, so I don't think an appeal will return a different result.

I've just been on the phone with one recruitment agency with a view to go in and register with them. I did tell them over the phone that I have been dismissed from my 'current' job and I think it threw her a bit. She did take my details and offer to pass them onto a colleague but I'm not hopeful of a call back.

LittleVoice

wildfrost wrote: »

Yes, the dismissal was done in line with procedures and yes I have given up on my old job. I was dismissed yesterday afternoon and already colleagues are texting me to say they have been told I've left the company, so I don't think an appeal will return a different result.

I've just been on the phone with one recruitment agency with a view to go in and register with them. I did tell them over the phone that I have been dismissed from my 'current' job and I think it threw her a bit. She did take my details and offer to pass them onto a colleague but I'm not hopeful of a call back.

If it was trying to arrange an appointment for you to go in to register, did they ask about your reason for leaving or did you volunteer the reason?

You originally wrote, "if I'm asked in an interview why I left my last job I must tell them I was dismissed" but that assumes you have got to the interview stage, probably after submitting a CV.

Did your employing company use the phrase "gross misconduct" (a phrase suggested by harrys dad)?
Have you received written confirmation of your dismissal with the reason for that dismissal included?

Takeaway_Addict

wildfrost wrote: »

Yes, the dismissal was done in line with procedures and yes I have given up on my old job. I was dismissed yesterday afternoon and already colleagues are texting me to say they have been told I've left the company, so I don't think an appeal will return a different result.

I've just been on the phone with one recruitment agency with a view to go in and register with them. I did tell them over the phone that I have been dismissed from my 'current' job and I think it threw her a bit. She did take my details and offer to pass them onto a colleague but I'm not hopeful of a call back.

have you asked the company what they will put on a reference?

spacey2012

If you open up some more details, we may be able to help you overturn the decision.
Are we talking costing them huge amounts of money or something silly.

bevanuk

Be honest, it's a good quality to have.
Explain, towards the end of any meeting (let them get to know you first) that you made a mistake, owned up to it and subsequently went through disiplinary proceedings. You know you messed up and would never do it again.

wildfrost

spacey2012 wrote: »

If you open up some more details, we may be able to help you overturn the decision.
Are we talking costing them huge amounts of money or something silly.

I am a part qualified accountant. I've been studying for the remaining qualification at my own expense but I have been struggling with the pressures of the exams. There was no requirement for me to pass my exams but in a moment of stupidity I told my superior that I had passed. Recently, I admitted to the same superior that I had lied and I am still to pass the exams.
This opened up an investigation. The company is saying that they increased my pay due to the exam pass. I did not know that that had been the case. I did receive a pay rise but I did not receive any notification as to what it related to. I assumed at the time it was performance related as that is what all my previous pay reviews were based on. The first I knew about the reason for the pay rise was during this investigation and I tried to tell them that had I known at the time of the pay rise I would never had accepted it and owned up to the lie then.
They are also saying that I took 5 days paid leave to attend exams but failed to inform my manager that I did not attend the exams. I did not attend the exams due to anxiety and because of my emotional distress at the time it was a complete oversight on my part to convert the days paid leave to holiday. But ultimately, they are calling it Gross Misconduct.

wildfrost

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

have you asked the company what they will put on a reference?

They said they provide neutral references confirming dates of employment and don't volunteer reasons for leaving unless specifically asked.

dandelionclock30

A lot depends on what job you are going for. Were you registered with a regulatory body in your last job?
Accounting jobs I would imagine will want to know why you left your previous position. So if you go for those jobs where money is involved they are going to want to know the ins and outs of everything.
If you went for an unskilled job or a basic job then they will probably accept a one line reference. It is the norm in certain industries to just offer that. But not in all.
I know for a fact that if you say you were dismissed in a job interview they will listen to you but then will not want to know. I've been there and bought the T shirt. Why would they employ someoone who was dismissed when they have over 200 people who havent?
Your best bet is to look for work where they dont require a detailed reference, or go self employed, or get someone you know to offer you a job and then use that as the last reference.
I dont know the exact requirements of recruitment agencies as they differ according to what line of work your in. Why dont you ring one and ask for an application form or to register, you will find out then.