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House of Lords Committee - Water bills should rise to limit consumption.
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »But Graham, a house of lords committee has said we need to ramp up water prices.
On an official parliament document.
Or are you now saying that such a report could be wrong?
Yep - House of Lords bunch of out of touch buffoons."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Why would anyone allow a "house of lords commitee report" (whatever that is) to shape their opinion?0
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Why would anyone allow a "house of lords commitee report" (whatever that is) to shape their opinion?
You should ask Graham.....“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »What, like Graham's House of Lords committee report questioning the benefits of immigration?
Well I never....
A House of Lords committee report, just like this one.
What a coincidence.
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Don't really care.
It's a report, from a Lords committee, like the one Graham treats as gospel and constantly insinuates must be right as the source is so credible.
Strangely, he doesn't like this one quite as much
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Yep those cunning Victorians. The Elan Valley, Lake Vyrnwy, Haweswater, Thirlmere.
Fantastic engineering feats.
How would the likes of Manchester , Liverpool and Birmingham fared without the forethought.
Arguably sold on the cheap too.
I don't actually think planning would be so much of an issue with cut and fill. When we had new mains put in close to us they even tunneled under roads with some form of boring device, left the roads intact.
What I do think we lack is the vision, passion and conviction to get it done let alone the finance.
I'm not too sure.
Victorian times were a different era altogether. You could cut through the landscape and compulsory purchase whatever you liked along the way.
Now, it would take years. Imagine the wildlife surveys. It's always a bit of a laugh in the office, but one of our surveys when undergoing planning permission highlighted the possibility of pregnant hedgehogs! Then there were bat surveys, other species surveys etc etc etc. While caring for those animals is a good thing, it doesn't half make planning for anything massively expensive.
I was watching a documentry not long back which stated in the time it's taken to get HS2 from paper to actual planning stages, the victorians had built 80% of our current existing railways. That doesn't include all the extra they built which has now ceased. Simply amazing.
Secondly, the uproar, I believe would be massive. Peoples homes would lose value.
Third, we just don't make them like that anymore. The architecture of Ellan Valley, and the pipe, the viaducts is just mesmerising. I honestly don't think we could even come close to building to that standard. They took pride in their work, it wasn't slap dash, and was built to last (as tested!) and look the part.
So yes, there are solutions, but I can't see that sort of thing getting off the ground again. It's a shame really, as we don't see what they built as blottig the landscape, rather a compliment to the landscape.
Best part of it all is gravity does the work.....73 miles, and it's all on a gradule decline... How many pumps would we install now?0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »it's all on a gradule decline...
Is that decline more or less "gradule" than the quality of output from the various committees of the House of Lords?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Don't really care.
It's a report, from a Lords committee, like the one Graham treats as gospel and constantly insinuates must be right as the source is so credible.
Strangely, he doesn't like this one quite as much
That report from the Lords on immigration has really got to you hasn't it!
You put a great deal of effort into ignoring it on the immigration thread, even when referenced by several people!
All you are doing here Hamish is publicising how much it hacked you off!
Mine wasn't from the House of Lords anyway, as Clapton has stated, which must hurt!0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »
Third, we just don't make them like that anymore. The architecture of Ellan Valley, and the pipe, the viaducts is just mesmerising. I honestly don't think we could even come close to building to that standard. They took pride in their work, it wasn't slap dash, and was built to last (as tested!) and look the part.
So yes, there are solutions, but I can't see that sort of thing getting off the ground again. It's a shame really, as we don't see what they built as blottig the landscape, rather a compliment to the landscape.
Best part of it all is gravity does the work.....73 miles, and it's all on a gradule decline... How many pumps would we install now?
When they put the pipes in by us they where quite clinical in their digging, moving at pace and backfilling pretty quickly. 12 months later it was difficult to tell where they had been, unless you knew. They did have a newt issue but basically fenced off the area, with some form of micro mesh, for about 6 months first to encourage them to go a different way.
We used to go to Vyrnwy/Elan a lot when I was a kid and I am still fascinated by them, the whole construction thing. Sad I know.
According to wiki they have relaid pies to Liverpool relatively recently, from Vyrnwy, to increase capacity including going under the Mersey."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »All you are doing here Hamish is publicising how much it hacked you off!
All you are doing here is being a monumental hypocrite.
You have constantly gone on about how great that report is, and how credible the committee that wrote it is, but now a similar committee wants to raise your water bills you are up in arms!!!:rotfl:“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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