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jrmroxx

Hi 1st thread, got parking ticket from UKPC on 1/11/2012, immediately appealed via email and heard nothing till today with letter from debt collect agency so phoned company who said they sent out letter confirming appeal denied. But when challenged as to when they sent letter she said "Oh we havent actually sent it".
Do I have a case against them! Imade a genuine mistake by parking in wrong bay, so 2 wrongs make a right don't they?

Coupon-mad

As I said on your other thread post, this is a fake PCN. Ignore it. Wow, you still believe you 'appealed' it???! Calm down, it's not a real fine at all!

This is pathetic, old, predictable UKPC we are discussing here! UKPC have never taken any action in the history of posts on this forum and the only time they saw the inside of a Courtroom was when they were taken there:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=63597

This whole forum tells you these fake PCNs are scams. Like all the other posters on this board, you have a fake PCN.

The whole scam of fake PCNs relies firstly on people's ignorance of the fact that a random private company can't fine anyone, and secondly on their natural fear of parking tickets and the escalating costs/bailiff scenario. So PPCs copy the look of a real parking ticket and - hey presto! - the cash rolls in from victims who know no better.

This is not a penalty at all. It's rubbish, there are no bailiffs letters, just debt collector standard template threatograms (all hot air, we can tell you this for certain).

Tick off the threatening letters as you get them, here.

Watchdog clip with expert Solicitor's opinion here.

Barrister's opinion on a legal Q&A website here.

Recent Auto Express article here.

The letters are actually quite funny when they arrive at the address of someone who knows it's all hogwash and not a real parking ticket at all.

My 18 year old niece has EIGHT fake PCNs so far and laughs & texts me every time she gets one. She is just a new driver, a teenager, and she knows this is all a con like a series of phishing emails. By

As I already said, it's a fake PCN, get your head around the fact it's a scam, an invoice impersonating a real parking ticket to try to make you cough up. DON'T!!

Ignore them, it's perfectly safe, nothing happens except the letters.

Just to let you know we know what we are talking about, we also have posters here -and on pepipoo forums as well - who collect fake PCNs for fun and to cost the scammers money. I would happily collect more fake PCNs than the 2 that I already have for Supermarket overstays (more than an hour overstays, both times when shopping at busy times). Plus I have a nice collection of amusing/alarmist debt collector letters which I carry in my handbag to show friends & colleagues if the subject crops up! :rotfl:

jrmroxx

Thanks coupon mad, will just ignore, but let you know how i get on.

jrmroxx

There is photographic evidence of the car but not of me! in the bay.
and by emailing them to protest am I not admitting the offense if so what if any consequencies are there?

ManxRed

Well, you need to consider the financial loss suffered by the landowner as a result of your parking.

Was this £0.00 by any chance?

Then that's what you owe them.

The consequences are that they take you to court for £0.00 and win (although what's the point of that?) or they take you to court for £60 and lose.

They know this. The correct decision is not to take you to court at all.

Instead they'll send scary letters in the hope that you buckle and pay up. Our advice is not to pay them but to ignore them completely.

jrmroxx

thanks ManxRed, this sounds like good news, so I will await the toilet paper.

SodG24

jrmroxx wrote: »

There is photographic evidence of the car but not of me! in the bay.
and by emailing them to protest am I not admitting the offense if so what if any consequencies are there?

You haven't committed an "offense" - only the authorities can do you for committing an offence. What you have is a fake invoice and as others have said, one you can completely ignore.

OliM_2

Coupon-mad wrote: »

As I said on your other thread post, this is a fake PCN. Ignore it. Wow, you still believe you 'appealed' it???! Calm down, it's not a real fine at all!

This is pathetic, old, predictable UKPC we are discussing here! UKPC have never taken any action in the history of posts on this forum and the only time they saw the inside of a Courtroom was when they were taken there:

This whole forum tells you these fake PCNs are scams. Like all the other posters on this board, you have a fake PCN.

The whole scam of fake PCNs relies firstly on people's ignorance of the fact that a random private company can't fine anyone, and secondly on their natural fear of parking tickets and the escalating costs/bailiff scenario. So PPCs copy the look of a real parking ticket and - hey presto! - the cash rolls in from victims who know no better.

This is not a penalty at all. It's rubbish, there are no bailiffs letters, just debt collector standard template threatograms (all hot air, we can tell you this for certain).

Tick off the threatening letters as you get them, here.

Watchdog clip with expert Solicitor's opinion here.

Barrister's opinion on a legal Q&A website here.

Recent Auto Express article here.

The letters are actually quite funny when they arrive at the address of someone who knows it's all hogwash and not a real parking ticket at all.

My 18 year old niece has EIGHT fake PCNs so far and laughs & texts me every time she gets one. She is just a new driver, a teenager, and she knows this is all a con like a series of phishing emails. By

As I already said, it's a fake PCN, get your head around the fact it's a scam, an invoice impersonating a real parking ticket to try to make you cough up. DON'T!!

Ignore them, it's perfectly safe, nothing happens except the letters.

Just to let you know we know what we are talking about, we also have posters here -and on pepipoo forums as well - who collect fake PCNs for fun and to cost the scammers money. I would happily collect more fake PCNs than the 2 that I already have for Supermarket overstays (more than an hour overstays, both times when shopping at busy times). Plus I have a nice collection of amusing/alarmist debt collector letters which I carry in my handbag to show friends & colleagues if the subject crops up! :rotfl:

This is really useful, but what about the "Protection of Freedoms Act 2012"??

Taken from Debt Recovery Plus:

The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 came into force in England and Wales on 1st October 2012. It bans clamping on private land in most circumstances and allows parking companies to pursue the vehicle keeper for unpaid parking charges providing certain conditions are met.

One of these conditions is that if the parking company is not notified by the registered keeper or hirer of the name and serviceable address of the driver (within 28 days of requesting that information) the registered keeper becomes liable for the parking charge.

Doesn't this new legislation mean they can easily win in court even if the registered keeper refuses the driver details, the keeper would simply be responsible?

Thanks. :-)

Cumbrian_Male

What it means is they can approach the RK for payment. But it doesn't mean contact law or trespass law has changed to make their speculative invoices any more legal than they were before. In other words they still are not legally enforcible.

The_Slithy_Tove

OliM wrote: »

This is really useful, but what about the "Protection of Freedoms Act 2012"??

What about it?

OliM wrote: »

Doesn't this new legislation mean they can easily win in court even if the registered keeper refuses the driver details, the keeper would simply be responsible?

Nope.

There is a lot of misinformation around concerning the Protection of Freedoms Act. This is largely pedalled by the private parking companies in an attempt to add some kind of legitimacy to their charges, not helped by sloppy and lazy journalism which regurgitates what the parking companies say without checking if it's true or not.

Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 introduces the concept of Keeper Liability for private parking charges if the registered keeper fails to divulge who the driver was. That is all.

• It does not make parking charges enforceable (or any more enforceable than they were before, which, on the whole is not enforceable at all)

• It does not require the registered keeper to name the driver on request - there is no obligation. If the keeper fails to name the driver, the "liability" (such as it is) reverts to the keeper (see previous point). If the driver and keeper are the same person, then there is no difference anyway.

• It does not set out any kind of statutory framework for parking charges, they are still based on contract law or trespass, and in that respect nothing has changed

• It does not define the wording that must be used to make parking charge notices "legal", "enforceable" or "valid". The Act sets out wording and points that must be included in order for the parking company to be able to apply keeper liability, but using all the correct words does not make the notice any more legally enforceable than it was before (see point 1)

The only thing the Protection of Freedoms Act does is remove from the registered keeper the defence of "I was not the driver." That was always a weak argument. There are far stronger arguments which make such parking charges invalid, all of which still stand.

peter_the_piper

"""Taken from Debt Recovery Plus:

Quote:
The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 came into force in England and Wales on 1st October 2012. It bans clamping on private land in most circumstances and allows parking companies to pursue the vehicle keeper for unpaid parking charges providing certain conditions are met.

One of these conditions is that if the parking company is not notified by the registered keeper or hirer of the name and serviceable address of the driver (within 28 days of requesting that information) the registered keeper becomes liable for the parking charge."""

As ST says but bear in mind that DR+ will slant any wording their way to make you think you HAVE to cough up.