Cameron Constituency Food Bank Faces Closure As Local Economy Stalls

BertieUK

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Seems Cameron is starting to get very twitchy about being photographed enjoying the high life while children live off Xmas handouts - papers saying he was nowhere to be seen at Chipping Norton hunt!

The photograph of the Cabinet Ministers meeting with Her Majesty the Queen said it all for me, Cameron just cannot stay quiet for one minute, always wanting to steal the limelight, or was it because the person who chose this particular picture to publish had the same feeling about Cameron as many others do. Empty barrels make the most noise.

Maybe he was out watching the hunt dressed as Sata Claus running late with an empty sledge.

DecentLivingWage

As the Mail Online puts it today , he is now highly sensitive to the political damage at GE2015 of his 'aura of privilege' Nicely put, I thought!

RevolvingDoor

dtsazza wrote: »

This, to me, is the major distinction between the two points of view in this argument (or in fact, anything to do with welfare).
Have the people in question actually been unfortunate, in that their position has been brought about by factors completely outside of their control, which they could not possibly mitigate?
Or is their position due to their own decisions and actions, in that if they had made better choices in the past, then they'd be better off now?
If it's the former, then I agree that this is unfair and we need to address the mechanics behind it. But if it's the latter, then arguably this is fair; facing the consequences of your actions is an important part of life, even if those consequences aren't great. And in fact, I'd go say far as to say that to try and change this situation through outside means would be wrong.

dtsazza wrote: »

I think we could all do with that, to be honest. As above, the important thing is what steps lead to someone being homeless, and to what extent it's a reasonable outcome.
Since I generally see our society as one where good actions lead to good outcomes (and one with a fantastically generous safety net), I tend to assume that anyone who does become homeless does so as a result of their own serious mistakes. People with the opposite viewpoint as me seem to have an equal and opposite view, that no matter what these people did they would have ended up homeless due to some unfair societal mechanics.
It's doubtless as simple as that, so I agree; having some actual concrete stories to mull over would be great in order to distinguish between the two cases.

I don't think it makes any difference how the homeless people got to that point in regards to whether they get governmental support and help although it might make a difference to what type of help they receive, eg: some might need support to get onto a drink reduction service or some might need help with a CV and moving back into work.

Jennifer_Jane

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Seems Cameron is starting to get very twitchy about being photographed enjoying the high life while children live off Xmas handouts - papers saying he was nowhere to be seen at Chipping Norton hunt!

BertieUK wrote: »

The photograph of the Cabinet Ministers meeting with Her Majesty the Queen said it all for me, Cameron just cannot stay quiet for one minute, always wanting to steal the limelight, or was it because the person who chose this particular picture to publish had the same feeling about Cameron as many others do. Empty barrels make the most noise.

Maybe he was out watching the hunt dressed as Sata Claus running late with an empty sledge.

Does he hunt? Is he pro-hunting? Anyone ever seen him near the hunt, either pro it or against it? Lots of areas have a local hunt - the Quorn in Leicestershire, etc. Is there any proof that he has ever hunted? Simply having a ride on a borrowed horse, doesn't make him someone who hunts.

Or is this just some propaganda, along the lines of Napoleon was very short (he was 5'7" and average for the times), or Hitler and his, er, missing equipment?

exarmydreamer

Almost 3/4 of all sleeping rough have ex service history. There is no support for ex services, they don't automatically get housed or receive mental health advice/help. They spiral down often into drugs/alcohol and charities are left to pick up the pieces.

They are discharged and forgotten about, if they are lucky they may get a space in a hostel care of the Royal British Legion. Most die on the streets and never claim the forces pension or other benefits they have paid into.

It is society that has let homeless down, often from care/abusive homes or ex forces the vast majority are ignored as scum. This they are not, the food banks and soup kitchens provide a vital service. They can at these places meet up with charity support or just a friendly chat can make all the difference to these people.

Homelessness is complicated, no two situations are the same. Those that say, 'I'm alright', need to understand that no one is protected from homelessness.

BertieUK

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Does he hunt? Is he pro-hunting? Anyone ever seen him near the hunt, either pro it or against it? Lots of areas have a local hunt - the Quorn in Leicestershire, etc. Is there any proof that he has ever hunted? Simply having a ride on a borrowed horse, doesn't make him someone who hunts.

Or is this just some propaganda, along the lines of Napoleon was very short (he was 5'7" and average for the times), or Hitler and his, er, missing equipment?

I think that Cameron is as crafty as a fox in real life if you asked me, he has numerous friends that take part in the Foxhunting and, no Cameron would not take part in any hunt he is not that stupid, we cannot say what his true feeling about the sport only those he chooses to call friends as was called before a jusdge not so long ago according to the following report.

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David Cameron's favourite fox hunt has been fined for illegal hunting in a case which will embarrass the Prime Minister.

The Heythrop Hunt in Oxfordshire pleaded guilty to four charges of intentionally hunting a fox with dogs in the Cotswolds.

It was the first time a fox hunt faced a corporate prosecution.

Ex-huntsman Julian Barnsfield (49), a friend of Mr Cameron, and retired hunt master Richard Sumner (68), another acquaintance, pleaded guilty to the same charges at Oxford Magistrates court.


Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/david-camerons-fox-hunting-pals-hit-by-fine-16251910.html#ixzz2GGGqMH62

Or is this as you say ..... just some propaganda ... You be the Judge

chewmylegoff

It appears to be evidence of some people who are not David Cameron going fox hunting (illegally). Not sure what point you're trying to make unless you are saying that a person is liable for the actions of their friends. If one of your friends murdered someone I guess you'd be a murderer then?

BertieUK

chewmylegoff wrote: »

It appears to be evidence of some people who are not David Cameron going fox hunting (illegally). Not sure what point you're trying to make unless you are saying that a person is liable for the actions of their friends. If one of your friends murdered someone I guess you'd be a murderer then?

I did not suggest in any way or form that he was resposible for the actions of others at all, merely saying that his friends should be showing more respect for the Law and be an example to others. They are only an embarrasment to Cameron and themselves. But then that could be said of any walk of life.

It seems to me that it is many of the elite in our country that show a total disregard for the law in many instances.

ILW

BertieUK wrote: »

I did not suggest in any way or form that he was resposible for the actions of others at all, merely saying that his friends should be showing more respect for the Law and be an example to others. They are only an embarrasment to Cameron and themselves. But then that could be said of any walk of life.

It seems to me that it is many of the elite in our country that show a total disregard for the law in many instances.

How many of the non "elite" get speeding fines?

chewmylegoff

BertieUK wrote: »

I did not suggest in any way or form that he was resposible for the actions of others at all, merely saying that his friends should be showing more respect for the Law and be an example to others. They are only an embarrasment to Cameron and themselves. But then that could be said of any walk of life.

It seems to me that it is many of the elite in our country that show a total disregard for the law in many instances.

What has any of this got to do with Cameron though? It seems none of it has anything to do with him. If your point is that people shouldn't break the law, why are you going on about Cameron so much, given that it appears that he has not...