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SORN for car kept on public road? Tax but no insurance (complicated)
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It wouldn't stop DVLA noticing that the tax has run out and starting their process to fine etc.
If they are driving around then I wouldn't think the same rule applies to them as the parking bizzies as their role is to find untaxed/uninsured vehicles.
Point being if the car was declared SORN the DVLA wouldn't send reminders.
The question is - are patrols allowed to lift covers or otherwise interfere with a vehicle?
A bit like in the MOT where rear seatbelts aren't tested if you have a child seat in as the tester isn't allowed to remove anything from the car.
It just reminded me of seeing the lines of bikes and prompted a question is all.
5t.What if there was no such thing as a rhetorical question?0 -
Weirdly this might actually work.
Forget the morals of it but I remember lots of motorbikes being parked on the pavements in london with bin liners over the reg plate.
The parking bizzies were only allowed to touch the vehicle to issue a ticket, nothing more so removing the bag to see the reg plate was illegal. No reg plate, no ticket.
Wonder if the same would be true of a cover? Would they be allowed to lift it up? If not, they wouldn't know whether the car underneath was tax/insured etc and displaying a disc is a mute point.
Be interesting to know if it would basically be a standoff.
5t.
How? A vehicle left on the public highway must have visible reflectors at night, displaying number plates and a valid tax disc. So if the car (or motorcycle) is completely covered, how can it be legal to leave it on a public road?
I do believe that you can get covers with transparent 'windows' where the number plates/tax disc can be seen when the cover is positioned correctly.
At the end of the day, I for one am not going to give out advice which is in conflict with the law. If the car is on the road, it must be insured and taxed, it's as simple as that. The OP has been correctly advised what to do about rectifying the situation and covering the car to hide it's identity is not correct and proper advice as potentially it could worsen the OPs position.PLEASE NOTEMy advice should be used as guidance only. You should always obtain face to face professional advice before taking any action.0 -
Point being if the car was declared SORN the DVLA wouldn't send reminders.
Point being that if the car is SORNd, then it cannot be kept legally on a public road.The question is - are patrols allowed to lift covers or otherwise interfere with a vehicle?
Answer is it's irrelevant. You seem to be suggesting to the OP that covering the car will, make it legal when it will not. If this is your line of thinking, then perhaps you should not be giving out advice at all.A bit like in the MOT where rear seatbelts aren't tested if you have a child seat in as the tester isn't allowed to remove anything from the car.
Difference being that an MOT tester does not have the same powers as that of a police officer has so a ridiculous comparison.PLEASE NOTEMy advice should be used as guidance only. You should always obtain face to face professional advice before taking any action.0 -
How? A vehicle left on the public highway must have visible reflectors at night, displaying number plates and a valid tax disc.
Never said otherwise. Have another look.So if the car (or motorcycle) is completely covered, how can it be legal to leave it on a public road?
No idea. That's part of the question. I was just wondering what can legally be done about it.I do believe that you can get covers with transparent 'windows' where the number plates/tax disc can be seen when the cover is positioned correctly.
I'm sure you can but that is completely irrelevant. You can get ones for caravans that have the doors in them so you don't have to take them off. It matters not a jot.At the end of the day, I for one am not going to give out advice which is in conflict with the law. If the car is on the road, it must be insured and taxed, it's as simple as that. The OP has been correctly advised what to do about rectifying the situation and covering the car to hide it's identity is not correct and proper advice as potentially it could worsen the OPs position.
Not giving advice. Asking a question.
Again, you might want to have another read.
5t.What if there was no such thing as a rhetorical question?0 -
Point being that if the car is SORNd, then it cannot be kept legally on a public road.
Where did I say it could? Re-read.Answer is it's irrelevant. You seem to be suggesting to the OP that covering the car will, make it legal when it will not. If this is your line of thinking, then perhaps you should not be giving out advice at all.
No I'm not. Re-Read. Perhaps you should stop commenting when your powers of comprehension are not very good?Difference being that an MOT tester does not have the same powers as that of a police officer has so a ridiculous comparison.
Do you know if they are allowed to lift a cover or not? Simple. What you've written does not answer the question and is therefore irrelevant like much of what you have just written. Again, I never said they had the same powers, you've made that up.
Try reading it again.
For what it is worth, I'm sure it can't be possible because otherwise, there would be plenty of people doing it. I would just like to know who has what powers.
You clearly don't have the answer.
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For insurance, you can try calling your own insurance and asking how much to add a "temporary additional vehicle". They usually only let you do this for 28 days, so not a long term solution, but it gets you a bit of breathing space for fairly cheap.
Is there nowhere else you can store it at all? Blocks of wood in the garden perhaps? Is your own car currently stored on a driveway so you could swap them?0 -
Where did I say it could? Re-read.
I didn't say that you had said it could... you have a re-read!No I'm not. Re-Read. Perhaps you should stop commenting when your powers of comprehension are not very good?
Yes you are! You are 'suggesting' that it could work!Do you know if they are allowed to lift a cover or not? Simple. What you've written does not answer the question and is therefore irrelevant like much of what you have just written. Again, I never said they had the same powers, you've made that up.
In answer to your question, I would think the police have the power to as they have the power to seize vehicles which they believe to be un-insured. They also have the power to stop and search so in order to do that, I would think that they are allowed to 'move' things which cover objects etc.
At the end of the day, you are asking questions as if to seek out loop holes in the law. If you were a law abiding motorist, you would not do that.... you would be advising people to comply with the law rather than attempting to get around it.PLEASE NOTEMy advice should be used as guidance only. You should always obtain face to face professional advice before taking any action.0 -
I didn't say that you had said it could... you have a re-read!
That was your response to something I wrote. Now you can't even understand yourself!
Yes you are! You are 'suggesting' that it could work!
I'm asking what the law does to stop it.In answer to your question, I would think the police have the power to as they have the power to seize vehicles which they believe to be un-insured. They also have the power to stop and search so in order to do that, I would think that they are allowed to 'move' things which cover objects etc.
Most sensible thing you've written in this thread. Given the anit-terrorism laws this is probably the answer.At the end of the day, you are asking questions as if to seek out loop holes in the law.
If you actually read the thread you'll see I was one of the first to suggest ways to get the car off the road.
I shall quote myself:fivetide wrote:Have you spoken to your local council about a lock up garage?
The other thing I can thing of is to 'gift it' for a while to a family member on the agreement it comes back once you need it. This will add a new owner to the V5 but if it is an older car then that shouldn't make too much difference to the selling price.
Back to you:tilt wrote:If you were a law abiding motorist, you would not do that.... you would be advising people to comply with the law rather than attempting to get around it.
As for giving advice on how to break the law, would that be the same as trying to help someone who has pulled up on yellow lines and got a council ticket try to get off? Comes over somewhat hypocritical.
5t.What if there was no such thing as a rhetorical question?0 -
I didn't say that you had said it could... you have a re-read!
Yes you are! You are 'suggesting' that it could work!
In answer to your question, I would think the police have the power to as they have the power to seize vehicles which they believe to be un-insured. They also have the power to stop and search so in order to do that, I would think that they are allowed to 'move' things which cover objects etc.
At the end of the day, you are asking questions as if to seek out loop holes in the law. If you were a law abiding motorist, you would not do that.... you would be advising people to comply with the law rather than attempting to get around it.
They have the power to stop the vehicle but not search it.0 -
That was your response to something I wrote. Now you can't even understand yourself!
I can understand perfectly. I made a statement which had no mention in it of you saying anything and you remarked "I didn't say it could".If you actually read the thread you'll see I was one of the first to suggest ways to get the car off the road.
That maybe so, but now you are talking about covering the car up as a solution.As for giving advice on how to break the law, would that be the same as trying to help someone who has pulled up on yellow lines and got a council ticket try to get off? Comes over somewhat hypocritical.
5t.
Again, a ridiculous comparison... unlike this case, when it comes to people who ask advice on a parking violation, there may be circumstances where a PCN has been incorrectly issued or the signage/road markings may not be correct. The law should work both ways so if a LA get it wrong, then the motorist may have a defence. But in this case, we are talking about strict liability where there the law is set in stone.... the car should not be on the road in the first place. Simples.PLEASE NOTEMy advice should be used as guidance only. You should always obtain face to face professional advice before taking any action.0
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