ESA now granted but wrong group

tod123

You are writing long and detailed posts OP, perhaps we could look at what sorts of office work would be suitable for your needs?

oldestrocker

tod123 wrote: »

You are writing long and detailed posts OP, perhaps we could look at what sorts of office work would be suitable for your needs?

Yes, thanks for that comment. In fact I have researched the ESA Regs with lots of help from others, have prepared a detailed submission that was to go to the Tribunal, intended to represent myself as I have experience of presenting cases in court, obtained masses of evidence under the Data Protection Act, reviewed that evidence and sifted it to be attached to each separate submission, discussed and obtained medical reports from two consultants and my GP, commissioned an independent report on my abilities to work from the Head of OH at the local University, etc etc....

Of course I could work!! If there was a job that fitted into my lifestyle of taking medication every few hours and only being fit for maybe an hour or so at a time, at all times of the day and night!

I doubt there is an employer in this country that would accept those terms of employing me! Besides which, there is no doubt that with what is wrong with me, I defy anybody to say that I am fit for work as such.

Finally, I gave up my job as I could not honestly say to my employer that I would be able to give what they expected of me. They were prepared to carry on paying my salary and be off sick, but I felt that it was a case of deception. In exchange I took a drop in income from £35,000pa to ESA of £89pw!!!!

So please keep your sarcastic opinions and comments to yourself - if you have nothing nice or decent to say - keep quiet!!

tod123

I was not being sarcastic , just looking at the possibilities of turning you into a productive person

FTW

oldestrocker wrote: »

Yes, thanks for that comment. In fact I have researched the ESA Regs with lots of help from others, have prepared a detailed submission that was to go to the Tribunal, intended to represent myself as I have experience of presenting cases in court, obtained masses of evidence under the Data Protection Act, reviewed that evidence and sifted it to be attached to each separate submission, discussed and obtained medical reports from two consultants and my GP, commissioned an independent report on my abilities to work from the Head of OH at the local University, etc etc....

Of course I could work!! If there was a job that fitted into my lifestyle of taking medication every few hours and only being fit for maybe an hour or so at a time, at all times of the day and night!

I doubt there is an employer in this country that would accept those terms of employing me! Besides which, there is no doubt that with what is wrong with me, I defy anybody to say that I am fit for work as such.

Finally, I gave up my job as I could not honestly say to my employer that I would be able to give what they expected of me. They were prepared to carry on paying my salary and be off sick, but I felt that it was a case of deception. In exchange I took a drop in income from £35,000pa to ESA of £89pw!!!!

So please keep your sarcastic opinions and comments to yourself - if you have nothing nice or decent to say - keep quiet!!

Ignore the sarcasm, obvious pathetic attempts at provocation and judgemental comments from the 'anti benefits' crowd - that goes on a lot on DT. They can't help themselves - too much time on their hands, I guess.

Anyway, reading through your story, I can't say I'm surprised at the DWP's line.

Throughout my own case, the DWP haven't given any indication of consistency or any sign that they knew what they were doing.

My own opinion of the DWP hit rock-bottom some 8 years ago, and I didn't think it could possibly get any lower - until about 3 years ago.

tod123

'anti benefits' crowd

Yes, its obviously a type of racism against those who were born to benefits lol

Its not about being 'anti' but simply at finding ways to ensure that benefits are viewed as a safety net, not a lifestyle choice.

FTW

tod123 wrote: »

Yes, its obviously a type of racism against those who were born to benefits lol.

Well, with quite a few DT regulars, it does come across that way.

tod123 wrote: »

Its not about being 'anti' but simply at finding ways to ensure that benefits are viewed as a safety net, not a lifestyle choice.

'Lifestyle choice'? That's typical Daily Mail soundbite crap. To live on benefits, is to live in poverty. For one who does choose to 'play the system', there are a good many more who don't.

And those many more don't want to live on benefits, but through circumstance, bad luck, illness, or other reasons, have no other alternative. That's some choice.

oldestrocker

tod123 wrote: »

I was not being sarcastic , just looking at the possibilities of turning you into a productive person

OK then I'll take it on that basis.

So you would like to look at the possibilities of turning me into a productive person..

Would you please enlighten me as to how I may go about this?

I've been on ESA since October 09, except for a spell on JSA in late Dec 09 but that didn't suit. They readily admitted that at the age I'm at, re-training would not work. Further, the career that I have persued all of my working life is so restrictive that there is unlikely to be any vacancies locally - maybe London, 90 miles away, but who on earth wants to travel there! I did that years ago and after 6 years had had enough.
After experiencing the JSA's attitude, I went back onto ESA. At least my time is my own.
So JC+ doesn't work - what else? Oh yes agencies! God Bless them!
They did find me a position within days in Manchester (300 miles) No way am I doing that!

So what I would like, that I haven't already tried, as you seem so interested in helping me, is a position, that does not involve walking, standing, sitting for more than 30 mins at a time. An understanding employer that will allow me to have upwards of 6 months sick leave at a time - with full pay of course!, allow me to work when I feel able to do so - sometimes between 1am and 3am then maybe late afternoon on the following day - but make sure that it isn't for too many hours as I do become tired easilly.

And of course I need regular breaks for food and drink - normally every 90 mins.

And that is the start, I would also require time off for hospital appointments. Also I need my sleep and would need a position that is totally flexible and of course I need my nap in the afternoons.

As you can see that does complicate things that are on offer from the JC+, but you may have better ideas.

I would dearly love to hear your alternatives?

Tehya

My husband is in the support group, he also receives DLA MRC and HRM and I'm his full time carer. I have to do most of his personal care as things are getting worse with each passing month.

Recently he was able to fix my mother's broadband and computer when my mum's brother in law heard this he tried to tell my husband that he should get a job fixing PCs again (my hubby was a broadband engineer). What people like him don't want to recognise is it took us almost a month before my hubby felt well enough to travel by taxi to her house which is only twenty minutes away. He then slept for almost 30 hours when we got home. what employer would give him a job with those odds of being able to turn up for work? None in my view oh and that would be without his full time carer i.e. me needing to be with him 24/7.

People see disabled folks getting benefits and it's like a veil that clouds their normal, sensible vision. I wish the government, ATOS along with a few people here could experience a day in the life of someone like my husband maybe then attitudes would change.

tod123

oldestrocker wrote: »

OK then I'll take it on that basis.

So you would like to look at the possibilities of turning me into a productive person..

Would you please enlighten me as to how I may go about this?

I've been on ESA since October 09, except for a spell on JSA in late Dec 09 but that didn't suit. They readily admitted that at the age I'm at, re-training would not work. Further, the career that I have persued all of my working life is so restrictive that there is unlikely to be any vacancies locally - maybe London, 90 miles away, but who on earth wants to travel there! I did that years ago and after 6 years had had enough.
After experiencing the JSA's attitude, I went back onto ESA. At least my time is my own.
So JC+ doesn't work - what else? Oh yes agencies! God Bless them!
They did find me a position within days in Manchester (300 miles) No way am I doing that!

So what I would like, that I haven't already tried, as you seem so interested in helping me, is a position, that does not involve walking, standing, sitting for more than 30 mins at a time. An understanding employer that will allow me to have upwards of 6 months sick leave at a time - with full pay of course!, allow me to work when I feel able to do so - sometimes between 1am and 3am then maybe late afternoon on the following day - but make sure that it isn't for too many hours as I do become tired easilly.

And of course I need regular breaks for food and drink - normally every 90 mins.

And that is the start, I would also require time off for hospital appointments. Also I need my sleep and would need a position that is totally flexible and of course I need my nap in the afternoons.

As you can see that does complicate things that are on offer from the JC+, but you may have better ideas.

I would dearly love to hear your alternatives?

What would you do if your benefits were stopped and you did not have the luxury of picking and choosing , if it was either do something or do not eat.

I assume there would be further options you would look at?

oldestrocker

tod123 wrote: »

What would you do if your benefits were stopped and you did not have the luxury of picking and choosing , if it was either do something or do not eat.

I assume there would be further options you would look at?

Hi,

I asked you a simple question based on your opinion and for some reason instead of answering it, you come up with this rubbish!

Why stop at ESA & JSA?

Put it another way, If benefits of all types, CTC, WTC, JSA, ESA, HB, CTB, DLA, AA, and a whole host of others stopped being paid, what do you think would happen in this country?

85% of the population receive some sort of 'benefit'. Be it a young child that the parent gets Family Allowance for, to War Pension for a disabled soldier.

Why don't we do away with the State Retirement Pension! What real good do pensioners do for this country? Surely they are the worst drain of 'benefit' monies. It would be far cheaper and also help the housing crisis if everyone over 65 was given an injection kit to put an end to their ever increasing demands for free health care, free transport, free TV licences, free heating allowance and all of the rest of the 'wasteful' claims.
They are the most expensive element of our society - will you be at the head of the line handing out the injection kits along with a birthday card for their 65th?

You do make some stupid comments!

As for me, and I could not get any money due to being too ill to work, I would collect food parcels, look for accomodation in a homeless shelter and survive on the generosity of others!
Not being able to claim a benefit will not change how I am, nor will it help how I feel. That's just a fact, how I would support myself is a matter of needs must even down to shoplifting goods if need be!!

It's a matter of survival.

But in the meantime whilst there are benefits to be claimed, I will carry on claiming them. I think we live in a civilised society where those that need help and funding receive it. In return when and if I am able to do some work, I will start again and provide funds through taxation for others.

I don't know how old you are, but at a guess would think that you have never experienced what it is like not to have somebody there to pick up the pieces when you fall ill. From your comments you seem to have a dislike for people who collect money from the State every week in exchange for doing absolutely nothing.

I do hope you have a conscience of responsibility towards others first and 'you' second!