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Childminder charging me for her holidays?
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If she expects paying for her holidays the simple answer is to treat her as an employee.
If she wants to take holidays she has to clear the dates through you in advance and you have the final say on when she takes them. If she decides to take holidays when you are not in agreement then she takes unpaid leave. That way you can time your holidays with hers.
Any other way you could end up in the extreme where she takes 4 weeks holiday and full pay, and then gets half pay while you are on holiday for 4 weeks. In essence 8 weeks paid holiday a year.
She is either an employee or she isnt, she can't have her cake and eat it.0 -
Personally I'd rather CMs gave notice via phone, than in the playground where strangers (ie me) can over-hear them.
Hairdressers are also dictated by local markets, what other hairdressers charge. whether there cliental is in an affluent/deprived area of the town. What their rent is (if a shop) and so on.
Using another example I've turned up for my chiropody appt at 2pm and my chiropodist has said I've been quiet since 10.30 one of my clients cancelled yesterday cos she's doing xxxx and another rang in this morning to say she was sick. She's then been stuck earning no more till I turn up, whilst paying her overheads. Rent/heating/lighting.
Which is all true but I don't believe when hairdressers, chiropodist set their rates they not adding some sort of mark up otherwise surely these sorts of businesses would be going bust more often. I am not suggesting it's a massive mark up but I don't believe they are working to break even in the first instance.I have a gift for enraging people, but if I ever bore you it'll be with a knife Louise BrooksAll will be well in the end. If it's not well, it's not the end.Be humble for you are made of earth. Be noble for you are made of stars0 -
Bitsy_Beans wrote: »Which is all true but I don't believe when hairdressers, chiropodist set their rates they not adding some sort of mark up otherwise surely these sorts of businesses would be going bust more often. I am not suggesting it's a massive mark up but I don't believe they are working to break even in the first instance.
But you have a time when you 1st set up a business. And then you will go thru quieter times eg in August when a huge amount of people go away. In snow when people can't get in. Then they don't charge when they go away. These are all times when they can run at a loss (even worse than breaking even).0 -
I pay my childminder a pro rata rate the whole year. So when she takes her holidays she still gets paid . Which I think is fair. She is an amazing woman and We try and do what is right by her.
They are self employed you are a customer , she is not an employee . you pay for her service just like you pay a car menchanic to fix your car except you leave the most important thing in the world to you with her.ONE HOUSE , DS+ DD Missymoo Living a day at a time and getting through this mess you have created.One day life will have no choice but to be nice to me :rotfl:0 -
That might be true when they are working to full capacity once their business is established. I don't find that any diffferent to a CM who is working at full capacity.
But you have a time when you 1st set up a business. And then you will go thru quieter times eg in August when a huge amount of people go away. In snow when people can't get in. Then they don't charge when they go away. These are all times when they can run at a loss (even worse than breaking even).
Which is why there would be a mark up on the prices chargde in the first place, to allow the business to survive through the lean times or months when they are operating as a loss. I don't have the means to do so.
What I don't understand is that people are complaining about CM's charging for their holiday - if you don't wish to do so then don't sign contracts. You are not obliged to use their services and as long as all charges are discussed upfront you have the option to walk away.I have a gift for enraging people, but if I ever bore you it'll be with a knife Louise BrooksAll will be well in the end. If it's not well, it's not the end.Be humble for you are made of earth. Be noble for you are made of stars0 -
thatgirlsam wrote: »i get what you are saying but a hairdresser for example has much more chance of filling an empty space for a week than a childminder does
people want their hair done randomly, or book an appointment on the off chance
a hairdresser does not need to worry about that amount of clients as they don't have these rules
if a hairdresser was only allowed to have 3 clients at any one time then they may be much more worried about booking these spaces to someone else
CM's need regular clients from the very nature of their job and given that they are limited to only having a certain number
again, im thinking aloud
Just a quick comment, my daughter is a self employed hairdresser and works within a salon (rents a chair) There are some customers who cancel or change their appointments at the last minute, or sometimes just don't turn up. If the cancellation is early enough sometimes people can take the vacant appointment time, but sometimes it is just lost revenue for the hairdresser.
Quite often the hairdressers know which client has has a genuine emergency, and those who habitually 'forget the time' or 'mistake the day' plus various other excuses. They now have a poster displayed informing people that anyone making a cancellation must give 24 hours notice otherwise there will be a charge.
It isn't often that they do charge people, illness, family emergencies etc. don`t run to a timetable.
However, when my daughter takes holidays she has to pay the full rent to the salon owner for the time she takes off. All part of being self employed.0 -
LilacLouisa wrote: »Just a quick comment, my daughter is a self employed hairdresser and works within a salon (rents a chair) There are some customers who cancel or change their appointments at the last minute, or sometimes just don't turn up. If the cancellation is early enough sometimes people can take the vacant appointment time, but sometimes it is just lost revenue for the hairdresser.
Quite often the hairdressers know which client has has a genuine emergency, and those who habitually 'forget the time' or 'mistake the day' plus various other excuses. They now have a poster displayed informing people that anyone making a cancellation must give 24 hours notice otherwise there will be a charge.
It isn't often that they do charge people, illness, family emergencies etc. don`t run to a timetable.
However, when my daughter takes holidays she has to pay the full rent to the salon owner for the time she takes off. All part of being self employed.
Just out of interest how do they enforce this? - wouldn't the client just go elsewhere to avoid paying?0 -
I suppose it depends on how much you value your childs care whilst you are at work?
Paying 2 weeks holiday for someone who looks after my most precious possession (sp)seems good value to me!
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thatgirlsam wrote: »i do think you have a point there
but isn't childminding a bit different as far as the self employed thing goes
if you were self employed as say, an electrician you could take on as many jobs as was physically possible to try and re-coup your losses for your time off
childminders have limited earning potential.. they can only have a set number of kids at any one time ( rightly so ) meaning that can they never work that 'little bit harder' to get the holiday loss back?
im by no means trying to start an arguement, more thinking aloud than anything else
if i have got that completely wrong then im sure someone will correct me
Limited earning potential is a bit of a red herring IMO, they chose to be a CM knowing earnings were limited.
However, as for all self employed workers are they not responsible themselves for making sure they put money away each month to ensure they're covered financially for their 4 weeks holiday?Accept your past without regret, handle your present with confidence and face your future without fear0 -
Bitsy_Beans wrote: »Which is why there would be a mark up on the prices chargde in the first place, to allow the business to survive through the lean times or months when they are operating as a loss. I don't have the means to do so.
But that's exactly what you should be doing, factoring your holiday pay into your hourly rate.Accept your past without regret, handle your present with confidence and face your future without fear0
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