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labour who cares who their leader is?
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Um, given the Torys are only in power in a minority/coalition government, with a few byeelection results going against them, the next leader of the opposition might become the next prime minister within the life of this parliament.
So I care.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
Um, given the Torys are only in power in a minority/coalition government, with a few byeelection results going against them, the next leader of the opposition might become the next prime minister within the life of this parliament.
So I care.
Do you really still think that after the deceit of the last government people would still vote Labour? My, some people are bitter about Maggie Thatcher!
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dealsearcher wrote: »Do you really still think that after the deceit of the last government people would still vote Labour? My, some people are bitter about Maggie Thatcher!
Isn't it called selective memory? IMPO, the electorate is smarter than reds give them credit for. Thus was it always with their big brother "we know best" attitude.In case you hadn't already worked it out - the entire global financial system is predicated on the assumption that you're an idiot:cool:0 -
dealsearcher wrote: »Do you really still think that after the deceit of the last government people would still vote Labour? My, some people are bitter about Maggie Thatcher!
I think in order to cut the budget deficit you need to reduce government spending by in excess of £100 billion. Even if 50% of that is done via normal cyclical growth, that leaves £50 billion of cuts.
I do not see a miraculous world in which you can cut £50 billion without firing tens, probably hundreds of thousands of people, cutting pensions, closing hospitals, restricting benefits, and generally making yourself less popular than ebola.
That's the reality I see.
Mark my words, the next government will be unpopular, and it won't be because of Thatcher, and it doesn't matter what colour they wear.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
I think in order to cut the budget deficit you need to reduce government overspending by in excess of £167 billion.
Just corrected your post.
Why is it again that you think people will vote a Labour government back in within the next couple of years?"One day I realised that when you are lying in your grave, it's no good saying, "I was too shy, too frightened."
Because by then you've blown your chances. That's it."0 -
Person_one wrote: »I care. I see little evidence that the country has been 'messed up'. Every government gets things wrong but I think on balance Labour have left the country in a better state than they found it. Money isn't always the best measure.
(for the record I do think the academies are a mistake, as I don't believe that education should be in the hands of for-profit businesses, but we have a tory government now! Its a bit rich to criticize labour for privatising public services!)
You havent had the pleasure of picking up the tab. Yet.0 -
Just corrected your post.
Why is it again that you think people will vote a Labour government back in within the next couple of years?
Read your post again. Think through the consequences of what you believe. Turkeys may vote for christmas once, but never a second time.
We have just had an election campaign where none of the parties said anything like your post.
Do you think the Torys are going to be popular in two years?“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
I think in order to cut the budget deficit you need to reduce government spending by in excess of £100 billion. Even if 50% of that is done via normal cyclical growth, that leaves £50 billion of cuts.
I do not see a miraculous world in which you can cut £50 billion without firing tens, probably hundreds of thousands of people, cutting pensions, closing hospitals, restricting benefits, and generally making yourself less popular than ebola.
That's the reality I see.
Mark my words, the next government will be unpopular, and it won't be because of Thatcher, and it doesn't matter what colour they wear.
Whatever happens, the Coalition government are going to need to hammer home labours mismanagement, through public service announcements and released paperwork that we can all clearly see where the corruption tookplace.
Labour should be done for what they did for our country.0 -
Read your post again. Think through the consequences of what you believe. Turkeys may vote for christmas once, but never a second time.
We have just had an election campaign where none of the parties said anything like your post.
Do you think the Torys are going to be popular in two years?
The problems started with the whole spending like there's no tomorrow back in the late 90's.
Then it continued into the credit crunch.
Then we had the "let's spend our way out of recession until things pick up" ploy.
It was never viable then and it's not viable now. Maybe the current government now will have to make some difficult changes. Personally I welcome them if they are actually going to make a difference. Now I'm sure a lot of people are going to suffer financially as cuts are made, but the electorate aren't completely stupid, it's pretty obvious that this has to happen.
It's what we've been preaching here on MSE for years now."One day I realised that when you are lying in your grave, it's no good saying, "I was too shy, too frightened."
Because by then you've blown your chances. That's it."0 -
Without an opposition we would have dictatorship:eek:lostinrates wrote: »A government benefits from a good opposition. Thus I care who the leader of the opposition will be.
Labour must learn to be an effective opposition before they even think about returning to office and they need to reform their leadership rules to make the removal of an incompetent leader easier otherwise the sad saga of clueless brown will happen again in the future0
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