Were looing to offer a house share for a single mother and her daughter

Oldernotwiser

terryw wrote: »

I don't know where to start here. I really do respect your views as we agree on so many points in this and other threads. However, the OP (with no disrespect implied or suggested) does not help his own case. The OP's tangent accusations against the local authority have no bearing on the problem. Allowing three paying lodgers people to share a bedroom will not endear him to MSE regulars.
However:

1. I can't really see any problem with the guy trying to assist the young mum in filling the form in. The HB forms really are a nightmare. I defy anyone to fill one correctly at a first attempt. The OP is not the best person to fill these forms in.......but this is why he has come to MSE for advice.

2. The Op certainly has suggested that he is a caring person. He is prepared to let the room to the mum despite the fact that he can let it to three foreign persons at a far higher rate.

3. Other posters have suggested that the mum could have a council house (which she could well not afford to run). Would she not be better not living with the OP in a warm house with no worry of bills on her limited income? Alternatively, other posters have suggested that she lets the eviction procedure run its course and ends up in a hostel. I contend that the mum would be better served by living with her godparents than a hostel. Or am I wrong?

Perhaps we can agree to disagree.

Thank you for your courteous reply, many points of which have been answered already.

I would just say that, whether she rents privately or is allocated an HA flat, she will still get her rent/CT paid and receive around 140 pounds per week in benefits and any maintenance she receives from the child's father. I can see no reason why she shouldn't manage perfectly well on this, as thousands of others do.

I also think that a short time in a hostel as a means of getting a secure home is a small price to pay and no worst than living in someone's spare room. If she doesn't want to do this she can rent privately with the finances as before.

Most 21 year olds, even students, would be very loth to lodge in some else's home and I think that it would be an exceptionally difficult and stressful thing for a young family to do.

As you say,agree to disagree.

Vader123

In the vain assumption that MSE and Martin don't condone this ridiculous set of circumstances the OP is trying to get advice for, I have reported the thread and OP to abuse.

In the vain assumption that the on-line government fraud www link actually investigates the possibility of fraud and contrived agreements, I have sent the link to them (they can get IPs as required).

Its one thing to try to be contrived to get something off the state, but quite another to drag down and young family.

Vader

terryw

Vader123 wrote: »

In the vain assumption that MSE and Martin don't condone this ridiculous set of circumstances the OP is trying to get advice for, I have reported the thread and OP to abuse.

In the vain assumption that the on-line government fraud www link actually investigates the possibility of fraud and contrived agreements, I have sent the link to them (they can get IPs as required).

Its one thing to try to be contrived to get something off the state, but quite another to drag down and young family.

Vader

I certainly don't agree that this is a ridiculous set of circumstances, or that the link you refer to will consider this a case of fraud and contrived agreements or that it is dragging down a young family.

However, I agree that this thread has run its natural course (i.e advice to OP turns into general debate) and I endorse your opinion for the thread to be closed.)

It would be of academic interest though for the OP to let us know the eventual outcome.

blue_monkey_2

So, she does not want to live on a 'council estate' and you live where..... My HA is far from being on a HE and we was actually told last week 'this is council? It looks way too good'. A home is what you make of it. Our 'council house' is in a nice little village and there is no way on earth we could ever afford the £350k price tag it has. How on earth does she know what she will get.

And you state that she does not want to be a drain on society in having a 'council house' well a) we do not claim any beneifts and live in a HA house and b) who the hell is going to be paying YOU if she has no money? That would be the tax payer that she apparently does not want to be a drain on.

At least if she is in a LA house she will not have private rents to pay in the future.

Which is where I think the problems lies. YOU want to know what YOU will be getting by putting this girl up, nothing to do with her at all. Jeez, YOU even want the LA to provide her with meals!! If she was THAT bothered then she would have taken herself off to the council to find all of this out, however something tells me that YOU are going to be the one encouraging her to move in with YOU.

You, sir, sound like a control freak. I'd not wanting to be living with you.

Vader123

terryw wrote: »

I certainly don't agree that this is a ridiculous set of circumstances, or that the link you refer to will consider this a case of fraud and contrived agreements or that it is dragging down a young family.

Thats fine.

However unlike the OP you are able to put your point of view across eloquently without resorting to insults, insulting the "system" or the local council (notice the OPs bitter "Icelandic investments" remarks, I bet this coupled with MPs expenses certainly make a contrived tenancy small fish).


It would be of academic interest though for the OP to let us know the eventual outcome

terryw wrote: »

It would be of academic interest though for the OP to let us know the eventual outcome.

He won't do that.

There are only two outcomes to his "scheme".

One is that he gets away with it and his contrived set of circumstances lead to him getting all he wants from this yong lady and therefore the tax payer.

Perhaps he has debt problems, or not much money, but given hes been reported (by me, but someone else will at some point report them on here or in real life) he won't come back and say "hey it worked".

Or the other outcome is that he gets caught. HE won't come back and tell us that too.

Vader

bunny999

GEORGYPORGY wrote: »

DO YOU THINK THAT THIS 21 YEAR GIRL IS !!!!!!?
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT SHE IS WELL AWARE OF HERE RIGHTS AS A SINGLE PARENT, Does she want to be a bludger who is reliant on state handouts, not as far as im aware, does she really want to be held to the cycle of housing authorities and the benefit society i guess not as she works.
DOES SHE WANT TO BRING HER DAUGHTER UP ON A COUNCIL ESTATE, THAT'S AN EQUIVOCAL NO!!
She doesn't want to play the "lets get a council house or housing authority house for free by using the law, nope unlike some people out there!
I asked for some help, unfortunately, your not in a position to furnish me with that help so it would be more of an assistance if you would respectfully just observe this THREAD.
I wanted to know about the benefit forms, agreements that are on offer and that's it, not whether you believe we have any other motives or not.

So why are you asking about benefits ? You've already said she is claiming income support and no doubt child benefit and tax credits. Hence she is already claiming state handouts.

Re council housing -unlike you then, who bought your council house at a discount and are now seeking to exploit this young woman and the system.

Golden_Anemone

How will you and your wife feel OP when the 21 year old wants to bring boyfriends home? Where will her daughter sleep when they are having sex?

Surely they'd be better off in the privacy of their own 2 bedroom home so they can lead normal lives.

thistledome

missmontana wrote: »

I totally agree with D2 and BlueMonkey.

I was in a very similar situation when I was pregnant with my son, my LL was trying (rather unsuccessfully) to evict me from his property. Because I was going to be made homeless and I was expecting, I was a priority.
I never had to stay in a B&B or a hostel, I was offered a 1 bed flat (because I hadn't actually had my child) with a HA in a nice area of town. She would be given a 2 bed. Having to share a room with a young child for any amount of time really isn't that great! They both need their own space.

At last someone who can disagree with OP's idea without rudeness and nasty (and uncalled for) insinuations.

Some of the spiteful people on this thread should be ashamed of themselves.

terryw

thistledome wrote: »

At last someone who can disagree with OP's idea without rudeness and nasty (and uncalled for) insinuations.

Some of the spiteful people on this thread should be ashamed of themselves.

I agree with your last statement, but suggest that you check over my posts and exclude me from your first comment.

blue_monkey_2

Golden_Anemone wrote: »

How will you and your wife feel OP when the 21 year old wants to bring boyfriends home? Where will her daughter sleep when they are having sex?

Surely they'd be better off in the privacy of their own 2 bedroom home so they can lead normal lives.

And what if she get's pregnant again.....? Where will the new baby sleep? It happened once before.