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    • dzug1
    • By dzug1 10th Jun 08, 10:27 PM
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    dzug1
    • #2
    • 10th Jun 08, 10:27 PM
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    • 10th Jun 08, 10:27 PM
    No Cardiff is not on the route to or from Aberystwyth. It's miles away in the wrong direction.

    You'll need a separate ticket.

    Any permitted route means any route between the start and destination stations that is defined in the routing guide. AFAIK the only alternative routes for you would be between Birmingham and Wolverhampton. From there there is only one route - Telford Shrewsbury Newtown - to Aber.
  • jono-gmail
    • #3
    • 12th Jun 08, 8:56 PM
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    • 12th Jun 08, 8:56 PM
    thanks for that dzug, stopped me getting carried away, would of been off on the channel tunnel to france next!! ,lol
  • ticketcollector
    • #4
    • 13th Jun 08, 10:34 PM
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    • 13th Jun 08, 10:34 PM
    Ah yes the "any permitted" argument.

    As a previous poster has stated "any permitted" means that you can go via any valid route between the start and finish on your tickets.
    a valid route is defined as any acceptable route on the routing guide.

    http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing_Guide.asp
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  • ticketcollector
    • #5
    • 13th Jun 08, 10:39 PM
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    • 13th Jun 08, 10:39 PM
    Birmingham N St part of Birmingham Routing Group
    Aberystwyth part of Machynlleth Routing Group

    Only vaild route between Birmingham RG and Machynlleth RG is map CA
    (http://www.atoc.org/rsp/_downloads/Routeing_Guide/maps/map%20graphics/Map%20CA.jpg) which is via Wolverhampton and Shrewsbury.
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  • DailyClicker
    • #6
    • 13th Jun 08, 10:43 PM
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    • 13th Jun 08, 10:43 PM
    Hello Jon!

    I have had the exact same confusion problem but travelling in London.

    It's not nice being stopped and 'verbally abused' by RPIs when they accuse you of travelling on an 'invalid route' but the ticket says 'Any Route Permitted'

    How on earth does that make sense =P

    It's not as if we are trying to travel in the opposite direction and back, I was only 15 mins away from my destination.

    Why do they not say,

    'Any Permitted Route' or 'Valid Routes Only'

    instead of 'Any Route Permitted'

    Would make much more sense and make more people question it, but there where can we find out what routes are permitted if ticketcollector on here wasnt as kind to post that link.

    But even using that link confuses me greatly.

    Ohhh well, I suppose it's UK rail travel =)
  • ticketcollector
    • #7
    • 14th Jun 08, 11:48 AM
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    • 14th Jun 08, 11:48 AM
    You need a degree in Rocket Science to understand the routing guide (even then it hasn't been updated since 2007)
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  • tiggert
    • #8
    • 9th Nov 11, 4:27 PM
    Stopping en route
    • #8
    • 9th Nov 11, 4:27 PM
    Reading the atoc document, it mentions that if the route is the shortest distance between departure and destination, then it is a permitted route.
    It doesn't mention if a stop and a change of train, as long as on that same route, would be valid. Does anyone know?
    E.g: The shortest route between A and B passes through station C. Would I be allowed to get off the train at C, and get another train from there (not coming from A) that follows the same remainder of the route to B?

    Thanks,
    T.
    • HappyMJ
    • By HappyMJ 9th Nov 11, 4:36 PM
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    • 9th Nov 11, 4:36 PM
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    • 9th Nov 11, 4:36 PM
    Reading the atoc document, it mentions that if the route is the shortest distance between departure and destination, then it is a permitted route.
    It doesn't mention if a stop and a change of train, as long as on that same route, would be valid. Does anyone know?
    E.g: The shortest route between A and B passes through station C. Would I be allowed to get off the train at C, and get another train from there (not coming from A) that follows the same remainder of the route to B?

    Thanks,
    T.
    Originally posted by tiggert
    It's not always the shortest distance either. A high speed train might be longer distance but get there quicker.

    You can usually get off and on the train on your way to the destination.

    I went once to Dublin via Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Stafford, Crewe, Chester and Holyhead jumping off the train at each point wandering around having a pint and then continued on the next train. All that for £30.
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    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 9th Nov 11, 4:40 PM
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    Voyager2002
    Reading the atoc document, it mentions that if the route is the shortest distance between departure and destination, then it is a permitted route.
    It doesn't mention if a stop and a change of train, as long as on that same route, would be valid. Does anyone know?
    E.g: The shortest route between A and B passes through station C. Would I be allowed to get off the train at C, and get another train from there (not coming from A) that follows the same remainder of the route to B?

    Thanks,
    T.
    Originally posted by tiggert
    Almost certainly yes (unless your ticket is restricted to specific trains).
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