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tina1969
Old 07-06-2008, 10:21 AM
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My son has been told that his JSA has been stopped. They DWP have said that he had not made enough effort to apply for a position which was offered to him. They first told him of this decision and the closing date of the job had not expired. He had applied for this position via post and it seems that it did not arrive. The first he new about this was when they said he had not applied. So he filled in the form to state this and applied again. I actually posted both of these for my son. Now they have stopped his JSA until September.

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Old 07-06-2008, 10:53 AM
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TBH if the JSA are finding him positions to apply for then he's not trying hard enough in the first place. I've never heard of anyone ever having being told to apply for a job so he mustn't be trying very hard to find a job if its got to that point.

The thing is that there's plenty of work available but he has decided that he doesn't want to do certain jobs. That's fine but one of the terms of getting JSA is you apply for anything you're capable of doing after a certain period of time and that includes factory work and cleaners jobs and if you don't, you're not complying with the agreement so your money stops. If I were him, I'd be getting myself off to the agencies and signing up with them for some factory work.

Hell, you're in the West Midlands where there's a dearth of jobs, not in a town with a population of 11000 in one of the lowest population density counties in the UK like I am yet I can still find plenty of work so he has no excuse. There's tons of jobs and the only reason people are unemployed is because they've made decisions to ensure they are.

Personally, I'd like to congratulate the JSA for deciding not to perpetually fund someone who can't be arsed to go get a job.

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Old 07-06-2008, 10:59 AM
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Hi
Thanks for the reply. My son does apply for jobs and has had several interviews. I should have been a bit more detailed...sorry...he has had problems with an advisor who on one occasion actually swore at him and we had to put in a official complaint. this advisor gave him the job to apply for and mys on was not even signing on him with him...he came over to him with the job...Also they decided to put the doubt on my sons claim and the closing date for the job was still open...
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Old 07-06-2008, 6:20 PM
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I think there is an appeals process that he can go through.

Hopefully someone will come along shortly who can give you more information about this.
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Your son will need to put in an appeal and provide proof that he has applied for jobs.

As for Conor's comments, there is not a dearth of jobs in the West Midlands, I have been unemployed since August 07 and have applied for over 200 jobs without getting an interview, my CV has been updated so I put it down to a) having a disability, b) my age and c) working in a University for 12 years - people think that I don't have transferrable skills which is poppycock.

Your son does need to try registering with agencies though for temporary and permanent work, also he could list his CV on Monster (although it does take a while to get a response on there but it does happen eventually). Another place to look, especially if he has access to the internet is a site called Fish4Jobs.

Good luck with the appeal and the job hunt.
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Old 07-06-2008, 10:44 PM
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How long has your son been on JSA ?
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Old 07-06-2008, 11:01 PM
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Your son will need to put in an appeal and provide proof that he has applied for jobs.

As for Conor's comments, there is not a dearth of jobs in the West Midlands,
The Jobcentre Plus website lists plenty within 20 miles of Birmingham listed this last week.

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I have been unemployed since August 07 and have applied for over 200 jobs without getting an interview, my CV has been updated so I put it down to a) having a disability, b) my age and c) working in a University for 12 years - people think that I don't have transferrable skills which is poppycock.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Have you applied for the factory process worker vacancies that the agencies are advertising for? Only qualification required for those is having a pulse and they're always wanting people.

I can guarantee you I can find you work within a week or a fortnight at the outside. Everyone who has said to me they can't find a job I've found them work within a couple of days.

Here you go..


No previous experience necessary as training will be given. Duties to include working in a warehouse, washing crates, loading crates into a machine and ensuring crates are clean. This position is based in Curdworth and is temporary for 6 weeks possible moving to permanent for the correct candidate.


You can apply for this job by telephoning 0121 5533388 and asking for Patrick Sistrik.

Off you go then...
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Old 07-06-2008, 11:32 PM
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The Jobcentre Plus website lists plenty within 20 miles of Birmingham listed this last week.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Have you applied for the factory process worker vacancies that the agencies are advertising for? Only qualification required for those is having a pulse and they're always wanting people.

I can guarantee you I can find you work within a week or a fortnight at the outside. Everyone who has said to me they can't find a job I've found them work within a couple of days.

Here you go..


No previous experience necessary as training will be given. Duties to include working in a warehouse, washing crates, loading crates into a machine and ensuring crates are clean. This position is based in Curdworth and is temporary for 6 weeks possible moving to permanent for the correct candidate.


You can apply for this job by telephoning 0121 5533388 and asking for Patrick Sistrik.

Off you go then...
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Totally agree, everyone who wants a job can find one. My daughter did a paper round when she couldn't find anything else last summer. It wasn't much but it got her up in the morning.
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Old 08-06-2008, 8:35 AM
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I agree, as long as you are not fussy there are plenty of jobs to be had. There are always warehouse, call centre, shop jobs going not to mention signing up with agencies.

Maybe he's being too choosy about what he will do, hopefully the shock of having no money may lead him to look a bit harder.
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at my work you can always tell the applicants on JSA there the ones who dont make an effort and are clearly disinterested in the vacancy.i think if a few more lost their JSA it would be the kick up the backside they need.
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He needs to complete a GL24 available here. http://www.dsdni.gov.uk/gl24.pdf
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Thank you for all your comments....

Firstly my son is not a lay about.....
That particular fortnight in question he attended two interviews but was unsuccessful
The job in question was a factory position
The same job he is accused of not applying when he did but we cannot prove it as it was postal application
He was accused of not applying and the closing date was still open
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Old 08-06-2008, 11:01 AM
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Why doesn't he apply to the advert I've posted?
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The Jobcentre Plus website lists plenty within 20 miles of Birmingham listed this last week.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Have you applied for the factory process worker vacancies that the agencies are advertising for? Only qualification required for those is having a pulse and they're always wanting people.

I can guarantee you I can find you work within a week or a fortnight at the outside. Everyone who has said to me they can't find a job I've found them work within a couple of days.

Here you go..


No previous experience necessary as training will be given. Duties to include working in a warehouse, washing crates, loading crates into a machine and ensuring crates are clean. This position is based in Curdworth and is temporary for 6 weeks possible moving to permanent for the correct candidate.


You can apply for this job by telephoning 0121 5533388 and asking for Patrick Sistrik.

Off you go then...
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There is no need to be sarky, I am a fully qualified PA, due to my disability, I am in the process with the jobcentre's help to set up my own business. For your information I have arranged do go fruit picking - hard work for little money not that I am complaining because I love fruit picking.

You have missed your vocation in life Conor - go and get yourself a job in the jobcentre and please do not give me advice when you do not know my circumstances - for your information I have a severe visual impairment and am classed as being partially sighted. I would be grateful if, in future you could keep your unhelpful, sarky comments to yourself

Apologies to the original OP. It just makes me sick when people are so judgemental.
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Old 08-06-2008, 12:05 PM
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You have missed your vocation in life Conor - go and get yourself a job in the jobcentre and please do not give me advice when you do not know my circumstances - for your information I have a severe visual impairment and am classed as being partially sighted.
I've got 3 knackered discs in my lower spine. The top one is inoperable. So what? Doesn't stop me from working.

My daughter has a visual impairment. Didn't stop her going to Uni and getting a job. Stop wallowing in excuses.
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Old 08-06-2008, 1:43 PM
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Thank you for all your comments....

Firstly my son is not a lay about.....
That particular fortnight in question he attended two interviews but was unsuccessful
The job in question was a factory position
The same job he is accused of not applying when he did but we cannot prove it as it was postal application
He was accused of not applying and the closing date was still open
Has he now resent his application tina1969? This will go a long way towards him getting the JSA reinstated.

A tip for the future - always get proof of postage when sending job applications, and if possible, send them Recorded Delivery x
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I've got 3 knackered discs in my lower spine. The top one is inoperable. So what? Doesn't stop me from working.

My daughter has a visual impairment. Didn't stop her going to Uni and getting a job. Stop wallowing in excuses.
Conor, if it is so easy to find work, why were you asking about signing on a few weeks ago?

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....html?t=902197

Ignore him tina1969, Conor was one of these people that was born a moaning old man.
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Conor, if it is so easy to find work, why were you asking about signing on a few weeks ago?

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....html?t=902197
Because its something I was pondering during a dark moment. The following day I got off my !!!! and went and found work and have been flat out since then. Took me all of half a day to find work. Quite funny really seeing that it's supposed to be an area with high unemployment yet I can find work within half a day.

To the suggestion about me working for the JSA. I'd love to. I'd have every single person who had been signing on for 6 months or more in for interview and give every one of them a bit of paper for a job and those who moaned because it was factory work and they didn't want to do it even though they had been on JSA for more than 6 months would get their claim cancelled if they didn't go.

And as for effort finding a job, I've walked up and down industrial estates knocking on every door in the past asking if there were any jobs. If I can do it, there's no reason why anybody else shouldn't.

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Because its something I was pondering during a dark moment. The following day I got off my !!!! and went and found work and have been flat out since then. Took me all of half a day to find work.

To the suggestion about me working for the JSA. I'd love to. I'd have every single person who had been signing on for 6 months or more in for interview and give every one of them a bit of paper for a job and those who moaned because it was factory work and they didn't want to do it even though they had been on JSA for more than 6 months would get their claim cancelled if they didn't go.

And as for effort finding a job, I've walked up and down industrial estates knocking on every door in the past asking if there were any jobs. If I can do it, there's no reason why anybody else shouldn't.
Your post count on here makes it very clear that you are not working flat out. I'm not saying that you are not working, but exaggeration only discredits what you say, and makes you look silly.

Maybe tina1969's son is having a dark moment? Perhaps you should consider things like this, and the feelings of posters, before having a go at them?
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Conor - I was briefly on JSA a few years ago (although I was only claiming 50p a week because I was also doing 15 hours a week in my friend's shop).

I was applying for the basic factory/warehouse type jobs but it's funny, when they see that you've been earning 30k as a Marketing Manager, they don't tend to take your application very seriously. There is such a thing as "overqualified" and there's good reason for it - anyone with those qualifications is going to continue seeking "proper" employment whilst working in the low-level job. They therefore won't be personally invested in the work, may take time off to attend interviews etc (under the guise of sick-leave) and will walk out some time after resource has been spent on training them up.

So, although your argument of "anyone can get a job" may well apply to school-leavers and unqualified people, it can in fact be much harder once you're on an established career path that gets interrupted.
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