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    • pesky2
    • By pesky2 21st May 08, 11:53 PM
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    DVLA Sorn Question Help needed pls to appeal
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    • 21st May 08, 11:53 PM
    DVLA Sorn Question Help needed pls to appeal 21st May 08 at 11:53 PM
    Anyone help with a quick DVLA question, Took Vehicle off road afew months ago as only use this particular one afew times a year and cashed in Tax disc for refund, Forgot to tick a tiny little box on the form which i couldn't remember seeing to declare sorn, afew months later they come after us with a fixed penalty of £80 for allegedly not declaring sorn, can i appeal and if so how, can't find any details on DVLA about appealsThanks in advance
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    • anewman
    • By anewman 22nd May 08, 12:09 AM
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    • 22nd May 08, 12:09 AM
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    • 22nd May 08, 12:09 AM
    Best to declare sorn and pay up asap. The DVLA are Nazis, and if you fall out of line (not reading the little bits on their letters) they fine you to the hilt and there's no appeals process.
    • pesky2
    • By pesky2 22nd May 08, 9:11 AM
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    • 22nd May 08, 9:11 AM
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    • 22nd May 08, 9:11 AM
    Best to declare sorn and pay up asap. The DVLA are Nazis, and if you fall out of line (not reading the little bits on their letters) they fine you to the hilt and there's no appeals process.
    Originally posted by anewman
    There forms are stupid, it should automatically tell them its common sense that if taking it off road that we are declaring sorn.My partner wants to ake it further, but as you say when looking around there appears to be no appeals process
    • pesky2
    • By pesky2 22nd May 08, 9:11 AM
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    • 22nd May 08, 9:11 AM
    Thanks fir the info anewman my thanks button doesnt work
  • TangledMemories
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    • 22nd May 08, 11:00 PM
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    • 22nd May 08, 11:00 PM
    Speaking as an ex-DVLA employee - don't bother appealing. The amount of people I used to have to deal with who had the same issues as you and there is absolutely NO way round it.
    The argument they will use is on the V14 form there is quite a large RED box which says everything about declaring your vehicle SORN http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/forms/V14.pdf

    Sorry but there is no point banging your head up against a brick wall.
    I am not a complete idiot - some parts are missing


  • dfountain
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    • 14th Dec 08, 8:08 PM
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    • 14th Dec 08, 8:08 PM
    On Thursday we received 22 letters for vehicles we have, an oversight - the SORN reminders were put to one side and forgotten about. So now we are looking at a £40 fine for each vehicle, £880 in total. I don't mind a punishment if it fits the crime but I find this incredibly steep for such an oversight. Is it possible to appeal?. If only to get the amount reduced.
    Thanks in advance
    • Bernie
    • By Bernie 14th Dec 08, 8:16 PM
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    • 14th Dec 08, 8:16 PM
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    • 14th Dec 08, 8:16 PM
    ...and did you notice how the cheeky rip-off merchants of the DVLA provide a nice 0870 contact number on the V14. Fine evidence how a monopoly supplier can abuse it's position to stiff it's "customers". On a par with hospital parking fees...
    “When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around.

    But when I got to be twenty one, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years.”

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  • jeannieblue
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    • 14th Dec 08, 8:18 PM
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    • 14th Dec 08, 8:18 PM
    Anewman was right. Guess it was something you didn't want to hear and that was why your reply was so rude. No need for that.

    Pay up what is due.. it is not an outrageous sum for goodness sake and it was you that made the mistake, not DVLA.
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  • Neil Peters
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    • 15th Dec 08, 12:25 PM
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    • 15th Dec 08, 12:25 PM
    I wouldn't bother appealing, my car was written off by my insurance company in June shortly before the tax was due to run out, and after sending my insurance company the logbook etc I was fined by the DVLA last month for having no tax on the car even though I don't have the logbook and havent since June.

    After being on the phone to the relevant office I was told the fine stands and must be paid, told them it won't be paid till I speak with my insurance company as surely they should have informed the DVLA it had been written off.
  • Conor
    There forms are stupid, it should automatically tell them its common sense that if taking it off road that we are declaring sorn.
    Originally posted by pesky2
    Why? You could be selling it on and are cashing the tax in. You could be scrapping it and are cashing the tax in. In March, there'll be a fair few people cashing their tax in and retaxing the car for 12 months to avoid the VED hike.
    • derrick
    • By derrick 15th Dec 08, 5:02 PM
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    Anyone help with a quick DVLA question, Took Vehicle off road afew months ago as only use this particular one afew times a year and cashed in Tax disc for refund, Forgot to tick a tiny little box on the form which i couldn't remember seeing to declare sorn, afew months later they come after us with a fixed penalty of £80 for allegedly not declaring sorn, can i appeal and if so how, can't find any details on DVLA about appealsThanks in advance
    Originally posted by pesky2
    Looking at the link in post #5, I cannot see a "box to tick"? I have filled in that form for a refund and declare SORN, I am not anticipating any probs, I took it to our local DVLA office, (on 28th November), had it stamped and got a copy.

    It is also showing on the DVLA website , vehicle enquiry, as "SORN not due"


    ...and did you notice how the cheeky rip-off merchants of the DVLA provide a nice 0870 contact number on the V14. Fine evidence how a monopoly supplier can abuse it's position to stiff it's "customers". On a par with hospital parking fees...
    Originally posted by Bernie
    Well don't use that number, use this one; - 01792 782341, it takes you to the menu from where you can go anywhere.
    Don`t steal - the Government doesn`t like the competition


    • flutterbyuk25
    • By flutterbyuk25 15th Dec 08, 7:49 PM
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    I wouldn't bother appealing, my car was written off by my insurance company in June shortly before the tax was due to run out, and after sending my insurance company the logbook etc I was fined by the DVLA last month for having no tax on the car even though I don't have the logbook and havent since June.

    After being on the phone to the relevant office I was told the fine stands and must be paid, told them it won't be paid till I speak with my insurance company as surely they should have informed the DVLA it had been written off.
    Originally posted by Neil Peters
    It is still your legal responsibilty to inform DVLA when you dispose of a vehicle, regardless of whether the vehicle was written off.

    You should have returned Section 9 from the logbook, or written a letter if you had mistakenly given this to your insurer
    100 years from now, it will not matter what kind of car I drove, what kind of house I lived in, how much money I had in my bank account, nor what my clothes looked like, but the world may be a little better because I was important in the life of a child.

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    • flutterbyuk25
    • By flutterbyuk25 15th Dec 08, 7:54 PM
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    Why? You could be selling it on and are cashing the tax in. You could be scrapping it and are cashing the tax in. In March, there'll be a fair few people cashing their tax in and retaxing the car for 12 months to avoid the VED hike.
    Originally posted by Conor
    Conor,

    The increase in VED was shelved by Chancellor. Max increase now of £5 for majority of vehicles.

    Also, from jan 1st 2009 refunds can only be paid if vehicle has been sold/scrapped/exported or declared SORN for minimum of 21 days. And will only be paid to a person who is current or previous registered keeper.

    x
    100 years from now, it will not matter what kind of car I drove, what kind of house I lived in, how much money I had in my bank account, nor what my clothes looked like, but the world may be a little better because I was important in the life of a child.

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  • dfountain
    On Thursday we received 22 letters for vehicles we have, an oversight - the SORN reminders were put to one side and forgotten about. So now we are looking at a £40 fine for each vehicle, £880 in total. I don't mind a punishment if it fits the crime but I find this incredibly steep for such an oversight. Is it possible to appeal?. If only to get the amount reduced.
    Thanks in advance
  • Thomas99
    Today, 9:50 PM[/B];16770095]On Thursday we received 22 letters for vehicles we have, an oversight - the SORN reminders were put to one side and forgotten about. So now we are looking at a £40 fine for each vehicle, £880 in total. I don't mind a punishment if it fits the crime but I find this incredibly steep for such an oversight. Is it possible to appeal?. If only to get the amount reduced.
    Thanks in advance
    by dfountain [B
    You already wrote that yesterday (8:08 PM)...why have you got 22 vehicles? If you are a trader, you should know the rules. If you are a private individual with 22 vehicles, you can afford the £880 penalty
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  • Conor
    Conor,

    The increase in VED was shelved by Chancellor. Max increase now of £5 for majority of vehicles.

    Also, from jan 1st 2009 refunds can only be paid if vehicle has been sold/scrapped/exported or declared SORN for minimum of 21 days. And will only be paid to a person who is current or previous registered keeper.

    x
    Originally posted by flutterbyuk25
    Fair enough. I've given up trying to keep up with it all and it was only an extra £15 a year for me anyway which isn't worth worrying about.
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